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Ubisoft is back with this bulked up sequel. Read the review and post your thoughts here!

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I am glad to see that Vegas 2 can be entertaining in 3d.

Personally, I won't touch that game. They removed face mapping for PC players in a patch and many people are reporting bugs. Here are their forums:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/1991064316

The first 3 Rainbow Six games were amazing. Lockdown and Vegas were complete disapointments to the original fans. The original 3 didn't have respawns and were great tactical shooters. The Vegas game took away the ability to go prone, lean/peak, and open doors slowly/partially. It added respawning, health that magicall returns if you hide, and the ability to hug a wall and switch to an out-of-body magical view that allows you to see around walls without being seen or shot. They completely ruined one of the more realistic and strategic game series in order to appease the Halo console crowd.

But hey, any game that can look good in 3d can at least provide some enjoyment!


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I liked the first part. These unrealisticall things allow you to made other tactical decisions. Shall I go on or shall I go into cover to get hp back...

it decreases the need for fast reactions (because you can plan what to do, because you can look around walls).
This feature might also reflect, that you still know where the enemy is and can hear him as well. It's difficult for a PC to make out a target with sound, because not every player has 5.1 sorround sound.

I think the new ones are especially for 'beginners' of the series. Isn't there a GRAW line still on market? Doesn't it provide the things you miss since the old Rainbow 6? Or is it something completly different :?

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Hmmm - I'm getting some "Night of the Living Dead" feedback from my webcam images! :P

I got rid of my hideous disproportionate webcam pictures, and will update them on the weekend. :lol:

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LukePC1 wrote:
I liked the first part. These unrealisticall things allow you to made other tactical decisions. Shall I go on or shall I go into cover to get hp back...

it decreases the need for fast reactions (because you can plan what to do, because you can look around walls).
This feature might also reflect, that you still know where the enemy is and can hear him as well. It's difficult for a PC to make out a target with sound, because not every player has 5.1 sorround sound.

I think the new ones are especially for 'beginners' of the series. Isn't there a GRAW line still on market? Doesn't it provide the things you miss since the old Rainbow 6? Or is it something completly different :?


GRAW was more of an outdoor battle game and more like the BF2 series. There isn't currently a game out there for the more realistic close quarter counter terrorist type game that Rainbow Six, Rogue Spear, and Ravenshield were. There is one in development by Blackfoot Studios called Ground Branch but that may take awhile since it is a small team working on it. It also may be more like Ghost Recon than Rogue Spear.


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Can you guys take a look and contribute to this thread?

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc& ... 1921052366

I don't know what these guys have against 3D. This thread needs some serious input from people who know what they are talking about.

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hey you got some attention there. Interesting stuff the users there dugg up ;-)

At least one of them has tried shutter glasses - and liked them MORE than these LCD's... or did I remember that wrong :?

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added my voice to that thread.

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Just a few words from me too. Might look like an assault but it's really not.

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Wow, I could not believe the reaction there. :shock: :shock: :shock: It was a review of R6V2 on the friggin' R6V2 forums! How much more on-topic can you get then that? Thats why I try to stay away from the gaming forums, too much immaturity. Couldn't help myself but write a proper response, figured I'd add my 2 cents.

I mean, I can understand someone thinking stereo 3d wasn't worth the money. Just like some people don't want to buy hdtvs or blu-ray or whatever. A whole lot of people still game on a PS2. Fine, I get that. But it really gets me peeved when people act like some product is a "waste" of money just cause they can't afford it. Like they forget that people have jobs and stuff. Its not like 3d gaming is *that* much more expensive, compared to say a good Samsung monitor that would run like $400. The VR920 goes for less, and shutterglasses can be had for $10!!!!

Some people, though, are really something else. Its not as much their opinion as it is their tone. Though I guess most of us were young and stupid at one point in our lives.

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the really funny thing is that since everyone here registered there on the exact same day with just 1 post each this pretty much looks like spam :)

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well I was first :D
And I agree, you shouldn't join it, if you are not still in it...

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Well, I tried, but that thread is going nowhere good. I definitely agree that people should just let it rest, but I had to at least say something. So much mis-information, dis-information. You really have to wonder if people have ulterior motives. It seems like a lot of work scouring the internet to find a random interview or some obscure photo for something they claim to care nothing about. The funniest part is you know one of those dolts is going to stumble upon this thread and think he's uncovered the great stereoscopic conspiracy!!!

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Come on guys, just let this die. They have their opinions, and we have ours. They might not be interested in S3D, and that's fine for them. But let's not evangelically go around posting how great S3D. Stick with the facts, and try not to be biased. I think Neil's call for reinforcements in the thread wasn't that great an idea, it makes us look desperate for followers and shows that he is losing the battle. If he couldn't have handled it on his own, he should have just allowed them to keep their current bias and opinions, and went on with his life, I think. But this was made into a war, and any curiosity the people on the other side may have had is now lost.


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Yeah, I agree with Sabre2552. We got our points across, there is no point to beating a dead horse! Its obvious some people just don't like stereo3d for whatever reason (others in that thread clearly had no clue what S3D even was, so that doesn't help the situation). Just let it die, I don't think anyone's changing their minds. However, I do think something did need to be said, and was said, so any intelligent lurker will be able to read between the lines.

Everybody's different though. For example, World of Warcraft seems to be like the most popular game right now. I played it for a few months just to see what it was about. I don't know, I wasn't feeling it. I wouldn't much appreciate it if some WoW guild came here and went evangelical trying to push that game on me. So I can see where some people are coming from in that respect. Clearly that is how it would appear if you had no idea about the current S3D market and whats available.

You really can't blame these people for not knowing what up. I mean, some of us have been doing this for years and it is still as confusing as ever. There are a ton of technical issues with S3D on the PC, its never been exactly plug-and-play. Yeah, you can get it to work if you're a programmer or understand how to work with computers (hacking registry, etc). But I can see many novice users being put off by a bad experience. I mean, I probably gamed with shutterglasses for almost a year (or longer) before I even understood exactly what all the hotkeys were doing (on the nvidia driver, which would be most peoples experience with 3d most likely). With the settings wrong (like they usually are on nvidia's default) a newbie will think the glasses don't work, likely give him a headache and think he wasted his money. It also doesn't help that many companies have falsely marketed products in the past as "3d" when they really weren't or misrepresented compatibility. Nothing we could say will change that person's position, as their opinion is based on personal experience. They would need to say, see Avatar in 3d, or some other mainstream outlet (like a sporting event in S3D) and things like that. We are not going to convince anyone if it has to get confrontational, they just have to see it for themselves.

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You're right. Watching the thread afterwards i really understand their reaction. Too bad though. :(

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I've read the thread, and I don't think we did anything wrong here.

First, I just posted a review which is fine. The responses were misinformation and personal attacks. I didn't make any inflammatory remarks or posted links to manufacturer websites or shove things down their throat. The reason I invited you to join the thread was it was being hogged by a couple of misinformed bullies, and it's important to have enough voices of reason in a situation like that.

However, there is nothing to be gained by the artificially extending the thread - that much I agree.

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Neil wrote:
I've read the thread, and I don't think we did anything wrong here.

First, I just posted a review which is fine. The responses were misinformation and personal attacks. I didn't make any inflammatory remarks or posted links to manufacturer websites or shove things down their throat. The reason I invited you to join the thread was it was being hogged by a couple of misinformed bullies, and it's important to have enough voices of reason in a situation like that.

However, there is nothing to be gained by the artificially extending the thread - that much I agree.

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I am just disagreeing with your choice of action when bullies were attacking. I understand where you're coming from, but it oozes desperation if you call in your own reinforcements from another to defend your point. It's nice to have more voices of reason, ones that actually know what they're taking about, but in that type of situation, it shows more negativity and evangelicalism than anything positive. Like that one poster said, he was slightly interested in researching S3D further until the flood of S3D supporters arrived. That tainted the little taste he had of S3D and its community.

Oh well, let's just leave that thread alone, now, it's pretty much done.


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Ok. Let's leave it at that, then.

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Wow...I missed all this chatter on the UBI forums these last three days due to work not giving me any free time.

I have been an active member on the UBI forums for years so I went ahead and posted my opinion in their forum.

Since that UBI forum is also used by Vegas 2 game players on the Xbox and PS3, some of its members are immature little pre-teens. You just have to get used to that and ignore their posts.

On the UBI forums I usually post under AWC_Pest or Pest_AWC.


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