3D VISION SUB-FORUM WISH-LIST: How would you want the forum?

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As per the title...

I can't promise anything, because it's not up to me to do the work (Realistically I'm just a guy trying to promote the migration to mts3d)...

...but it's been suggested that I should get feedback from the community, on how they would want the the forum set up (to be passed up the chain)...

...so please give your feedback and suggestions here.



It's okay if you don't have suggestions or feedback that you want to post, but if you could answer the following three questions it'd be a massive help:


Question 1. Do you want an "Nvidia 3D Vision, Off-Topic" sub-forum; do you think it's necessary and would you use it?


Question 2. Do you think the topics/areas covered in "Nvidia 3D Vision Fixes, Solutions and Troubleshooting" would need to be separated out into their own sub-forums, or is it okay as it is?

...this is how it's worked so far (i.e. everything's been in one sub-forum). Should that continue, or would there be a notable benefit to splitting the topics/areas into their own sub-forums?


Question 3. It's been suggested that there should be a shader-hacking tutorial sub-forum where people could go to learn shader-hacking. Should there be a sub-forum with tutorials for teaching shader-hacking, and if there were, would you use it?



It would be a massive help if you could post your answers to the above three questions...

...also...(if you have them) please also post suggestions, either general or specific.

Thanks in advance; your input is greatly appreciated :)
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1) Is this subforum sufficient?

2) I think fixes and troubleshooting should be in the same subforum, because people tend to create a new thread for a game whenever a fix is outdated or they can't get a fix to work. On the flip side, those conversations could be mixed with general troubleshooting in their own troubleshooting subforum if that makes more sense to you guys.

3) This would be great. The Discord server is nice for faster responses, but this subforum would be useful for preventing duplicate conversations. I think the 3Dmigoto wiki would be a good place to send people (from a stickied thread in that subforum) who are looking for common info. Although it needs a tuneup to stay up-to-date. In terms of surface-level stereo issue fixing, bo3b's shader school is more-or-less what maybe a sticky thread or the wiki could answer. The threads would be more about expanding on what those two resources explain. No sense in repeating lessons in several threads.

I use uBlock Origin (suggested in bo3b's welcome thread) to hide the forum-wide stickies, so that's why I mentioned subforum sticky threads.
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Okay, so to get the ball rolling, I'm going to post my answers [Edit: Wow, schwing beat me to it! :D ]...

1. If there was an off-topic section I'd probably hang out there, but only really if there were other people there. I'd like there to be one if people actually used it, because it would give the place a bit more of a sense of community and it might be cool to hang out and talk about games and stuff.

2. Going by what bo3b told me (and I trust his judgement), I think having the one thread should be sufficient, but maybe just sufficient isn't enough? I'm not very technically minded and I'm new to the scene so I don't really know how things work or what's best but I like the idea of it all being in one place because then if I post a question, I'd know everyone was seeing it, because they're all in the one place. From a deeper technical perspective, I've no idea if it would help for the topics to be split.

3. Yes, I'd use it, although I'm not very confident I'd get very far with it (probably not very far at all) so maybe I shouldn't be counted in that.


As for suggestions and feedback: I think it would be great to get the forum organised and I think merging the Nvidia sub-forums into the one catch all thread, so that it's less confusing and less fragmented, would probably make a huge difference to getting people to move over here. I think having an off-topic sub-forum would help in that regard also. I agree with one of the other posters in the Suggestions thread in the Drivers sub-forum, that the wall of notices/stickies is a bit off-putting...it's like it displaces the actual forum, almost like I need my monitor swivelled around into portrait to view it properly? But not sure if that'll ever be altered, because it seems to be a core of the formatting for the entire forum, not just the Nvidia sub-forums (although I have emailed Neil about changes to the forum, this isn't an issue I'm going to raise with him, because it just seems to be the way he does things).

So that's mine; looking forward to seeing more ;) Please post!! :)

schwing wrote:1) Is this subforum sufficient?
Thanks for the feedback on the feeback thread, it's very appreciated (and very meta) ;) :P :)

...this is more of an informal thing for the people migrating to mtbs3 from the Nvidia forums specifically...

...it's primarily to figure out directory structure for the Nvidia subforums, and what the people migrating here from the Nvidia forums might want and/or need.

...but all of the feedback given will be passed up the chain one way or another (by me), so no worries there. This is just the best place to try to gather and collect together information from an already diffuse community, so that it can be passed up the chain.

If people reading this have more general suggestions and feedback for the structure and format of the forum overall, they can post to that thread by all means (or they can post it here and I'll pass it along), but for the specific purposes of the 3D Vision community migration, it would be really really helpful if people could post here. :)

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1.) It would be ok, at least better than to post off topic stuff in the "main" forum. I actually do like the idea of the general forum instead, you know diff. people getting together (inspiring and get inspired by others), also in terms of keeping things simple.

2.) Yeah, one place for all the fixes & co would prob. be the best. I def. don't like the way it is mixed up now. The only other subforums that may make sense to me are: def. "Guides". You know, you don't frequently visit them, but may before you got a question, or if you start over etc., so you can quickly find important and frequently seeked information (and not have x sticky topics, like it is now if you don't block them - again clean and simple). And maybe!! as second forum to split the "main" topic into actually: "Game fixes/troubleshoot" and "Software/Hardware issues&news" (for Monitor, Driver, Video Player, ..... of course all concerning 3D). But I am not sure about that .... clear disjunction vs. 2 topics to take a look into.

3.) Prob. yes. I dunno if I would rly dig in, at least not ~ next 2 months. I once did take a short look into it and it is time consuming, esp. at start (like everything that requires deep learning), but even then it takes some time, as well as patience.

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I think the biggest wish is to try and keep the community together.
Having too many sub sections spreads the attention a lot and we aren't that many on the forums, and we don't have so many topics to require a lot of sub sections.

There are already multiple general discussions, off topics and news subsections, no need to add any more.
At first I thought id would be best to have 2 sections :
- Nvidia 3d vision Driver and community software discussion
- Games discussion

However I noticed there is already a games sub section in every single driver section, I wonder why not regroup them into one.
For example : Yesterday, I bought Journey on PC (the port on the Epic games store).
I tried it with Nvidia 3D Vision, the game kind of works, but there are very obvious artefacts with atmospheric effects which are very distracting.
Out of curiosity, I tried the game game with my old Tridef drivers, since I still have them installed and... it looks much better ! Now where should I put this informaiton ?
With the current system, I should create 2 threads in 2 separate sections, and most Nvidia users would wait and beg a nice shader hacker to fix this game ASAP, without knowing that the game looks very good
and is perfectly playable as is with a different driver.
Meanwhile, people using Tridef... well there are many people using it. The devs are gone, the website is closed. But it works.. if you can get it and have it running.

I wonder if it wouldn't be best to change the entire stereo driver forum and regroup all games discussion into one single section (whether you play them with 3D Vision, or other software).
And one Driver discussion section (all solutions combined, 3D Vision, Tridef, or others...)
You'd probably want to do the same with the hardware section : (regroup TVs monitors, projectors, etc...)
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As someone who came here from the Nvidia forums, one of the most important things for me is to have continuity in the user experience.
So my preference would be to have a single nexus for all discussion related to gaming in stereo. That can include the occasional post about watching movies in 3D, Tridef musings, and even technical discussions about new Migoto releases.
I used to enjoy all these topics in the old Nvidia forum, and anyway I knew everyone in the community so whether they were talking about a new game without a fix, about maybe taking up shaderhacking, about matrix formulas to tackle shader repositioning etc, I enjoyed them all equally as it was my "home on the internet".

If the Migoto developers and the active fixers deem necessary to have a different subforum just for the technical aspects of shadehacking, I don't mind at all. Although I believe nowadays these discussions have moved over to Discord. A loss for me, as I was always in awe about gamechangers such as DHR's universal fixing processes, or all the teaching materials Bo3b was publishing, or all the changes DSS was making in the code (with many dev/fixing talks appearing in one legendary post, spanning almost a decade, started by Bo3b when he took over the codesource from Chiri!).

So personally:
1. I don't need an off topic subforum (everything 3D Vision related is part of a huge off-topic grieving process anyway, since Nvidia had their way with this incredible technology)

2. One forum is enough. I already hate that I need to check two forums now, since Neil created the second subforum. Maybe someone will have pity and move all the posts in the newly created one.

3. Don't mind separating the technical discussions, but would prefer not to.

Thanks again to everyone for sharing your passion with us, and to Neil for our new home.

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Zappologist wrote:As someone who came here from the Nvidia forums, one of the most important things for me is to have continuity in the user experience.
So my preference would be to have a single nexus for all discussion related to gaming in stereo. That can include the occasional post about watching movies in 3D, Tridef musings, and even technical discussions about new Migoto releases.
I used to enjoy all these topics in the old Nvidia forum, and anyway I knew everyone in the community so whether they were talking about a new game without a fix, about maybe taking up shaderhacking, about matrix formulas to tackle shader repositioning etc, I enjoyed them all equally as it was my "home on the internet".

If the Migoto developers and the active fixers deem necessary to have a different subforum just for the technical aspects of shadehacking, I don't mind at all. Although I believe nowadays these discussions have moved over to Discord. A loss for me, as I was always in awe about gamechangers such as DHR's universal fixing processes, or all the teaching materials Bo3b was publishing, or all the changes DSS was making in the code (with many dev/fixing talks appearing in one legendary post, spanning almost a decade, started by Bo3b when he took over the codesource from Chiri!).

So personally:
1. I don't need an off topic subforum (everything 3D Vision related is part of a huge off-topic grieving process anyway, since Nvidia had their way with this incredible technology)

2. One forum is enough. I already hate that I need to check two forums now, since Neil created the second subforum. Maybe someone will have pity and move all the posts in the newly created one.

3. Don't mind separating the technical discussions, but would prefer not to.

Thanks again to everyone for sharing your passion with us, and to Neil for our new home.
Exactly my thoughts :)

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Thanks for the excellent feedback guys; keep it coming.

I need to respond to a couple with a mea culpa (it's my fault)...
BlackShark wrote:I think the biggest wish is to try and keep the community together.
Having too many sub sections spreads the attention a lot and we aren't that many on the forums, and we don't have so many topics to require a lot of sub sections.

There are already multiple general discussions, off topics and news subsections, no need to add any more...
Zappologist wrote: 2. One forum is enough. I already hate that I need to check two forums now, since Neil created the second subforum. Maybe someone will have pity and move all the posts in the newly created one.
I've been trying to be the guy who spearheads the move to mtbs3d, because I want the community to have a new home, so that we can all stay in one place.

The problem is, although I have the will to do this, I lack technical knowledge, and I don't have the forum privileges to be able to effect change myself. All I can really do is pass the information on and make requests to the moderators and site administrator (but rest assured, your feedback will be passed along and will be seen).

That having been said, it's my fault that the "Nvidia 3D Vision Fixes, Solutions and Troubleshooting" sub-form was added. I requested this of Neil and he was very good in adding that section despite being extremely busy.

My vision for the forum was to have a sub-section of mtbs3d just for the Nvidia 3D Vision community, nested within the larger mtbs3d.com forum...

...I'd visualised having two sub-forums covering every part of it, to receive the Nvidia 3D Vision community, as it migrated from the Nvidia forum:


"Nvidia 3D Vision Fixes, Solutions and Troubleshooting"

&

"Nvidia 3D Vision, Off Topic"


I hadn't considered that people would want to go beyond the Nvidia sub-section and make use of the other parts of the site.

The site is very fragmented and diffuse and I'm sorry for having added to that. It was my assumption that the 3D Vision community would stick to just the Nvidia sub-forums, and that we could start out in our own thread, and potentially have at least just the threads in the Nvidia sub-section merged into our (the NVidia 3D Vision community's) own couple of sub-forums within the Nvidia sub-section as time went on.

Stepping back and taking more of an overview (of the entire forum) which it turns out (judging by the feedback) that people are going to want to do: yes it is diffuse and yes, unfortunately I've added to that fragmentation by getting a new sub-forum added...

...but to be completely honest, I'm not sure if there's a solution to that, which wouldn't require a complete revision of the the forum as a whole, and that's such a big ask, that I'm not sure how reasonable it is to even request it, much less to expect it?

...but having said that, I am going to pass the feedback on, so don't worry on that account.

My vision was to create a single forum as an arrival/landing point for the Nvidia 3D Vision community (which was to be the "Nvidia 3D Vision Fixes, Solutions and Troubleshooting" sub-forum) as a first step, before dealing with trying to get the NVidia sub-section organised into a suitable home for the Nvidia 3D community as a whole...

...unfortunately I didn't (and don't) even have the permissions to be able to create a sticky to explain this or to request that people arriving from the Nvidia forum confine their activity to that one thread, or that one section.

Another problem I've run into is how busy the site administrator is (i.e. so busy he's not going to have time to even look at this stuff again until mid November at the earliest).

But yeah, it seems I screwed up.

I have spoken to a moderator here, who has said he doesn't mind changing the titles of the sub-forums but isn't comfortable merging them...

...I since messaged him again asking whether, in that case, he could maybe rename "NVIDIA GeForce 3D Vision Driver Forums" to "Nvidia 3D Vision Fixes, Solutions and Troubleshooting" and then merge the existing "Nvidia 3D Vision Fixes, Solutions and Troubleshooting" into that sub-forum (becasue the new "Nvidia 3D Vision Fixes, Solutions and Troubleshooting" is, at this point, only a week or so old)..

...I'm yet to hear back from him.

The reason being for the rename and the merge, is to just have a more general catch-all thread that covers all aspects of 3D vision, rather than looking like it's for just one very specific aspect of the whole 3D Vision subject.

My reasoning for also adding "Nvidia 3D Vision, Off Topic" was as an off-topic and a hang-out for the Nvidia 3D Vision community (which seemed to make sense as it would be in the Nvidia sub-section) to keep off-topic discussions out of the catch-all technical thread...

...I also thought having our own off-topic would make the Nvidia sub-section look more like a community and would for that reason promote migration from the Nvidia website.

Another problem I've run up against is the "S-3D Game Settings (NVIDIA GeForce 3D Vision)" sub-form.

Firstly the contents might not be 100% suitable for the catch all sub-forum ("Nvidia 3D Vision Fixes, Solutions and Troubleshooting") and secondly, although it's not been posted to since December of 2018, it still might put peoples' noses out of joint if it gets dumped into the catch-all sub-forum...

...so basically, my suggestion (just to make things look more consolidated, now that the 3D Vision community wants to move here) was to rename it to: "Nvidia 3D Vision Game Settings and Profiles"

That way there'd basically be three sub-forms for the 3D Vision community within the Nvidia sub-section:


"Nvidia 3D Vision Fixes, Solutions and Troubleshooting"

"Nvidia 3D Vision Game Settings and Profiles"

"Nvidia 3D Vision, Off Topic"


That's currently what I'm aiming for, within the Nvidia sub-section, as the basis for an Nvidia 3D Vision Community at mtbs3d

It would be great if the entire mtbs3d site could be revised and condensed, but that's a huge ask of the administrators and it could very well never happen...

...so basically, I'm just trying to get the Nvidia sub-section re-organised into a solid basis for the 3D vision community.

But as I say: unfortunately I don't have permissions or privileges here...I'm literally just a guy trying to help get the community set up in a new home.


Please keep the feedback coming, including feedback on this post...

...it really is helping.

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I'd say put the games settings and fixes in the same section. No need to split them into multiple sections

If Renaming is easier, it'd recommend this :

- 3D Vision : Drivers, hardware, software and community tools discussion
- 3D Vision : Games and community fixes
- Other ? this current section is still very bare, it's still time to close it, or at least rename it into something inoffensive.
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BlackShark wrote:I'd say put the games settings and fixes in the same section. No need to split them into multiple sections

If Renaming is easier, it'd recommend this :

- 3D Vision : Drivers, hardware, software and community tools discussion
- 3D Vision : Games and community fixes
- Other ? this current section is still very bare, it's still time to close it, or at least rename it into something inoffensive.
I'm hoping that we can go beyond renaming and actually merge the sub-forums at some point, but that remains to be seen.

I'll try and contact cybereality again re. altering the forum as per your recommendation.

[Edit: I've messaged cybereality with the rename request, and asked again if he can merge the contents of the new sub-forum into the main discussion thread. I know that merging sub-forums is something he really doesn't want to do, but I'm hoping he might make an exception on this occasion. I guess we just have to wait and see.]

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Skawen wrote:
Zappologist wrote:As someone who came here from the Nvidia forums, one of the most important things for me is to have continuity in the user experience.
So my preference would be to have a single nexus for all discussion related to gaming in stereo. That can include the occasional post about watching movies in 3D, Tridef musings, and even technical discussions about new Migoto releases.
I used to enjoy all these topics in the old Nvidia forum, and anyway I knew everyone in the community so whether they were talking about a new game without a fix, about maybe taking up shaderhacking, about matrix formulas to tackle shader repositioning etc, I enjoyed them all equally as it was my "home on the internet".

If the Migoto developers and the active fixers deem necessary to have a different subforum just for the technical aspects of shadehacking, I don't mind at all. Although I believe nowadays these discussions have moved over to Discord. A loss for me, as I was always in awe about gamechangers such as DHR's universal fixing processes, or all the teaching materials Bo3b was publishing, or all the changes DSS was making in the code (with many dev/fixing talks appearing in one legendary post, spanning almost a decade, started by Bo3b when he took over the codesource from Chiri!).

So personally:
1. I don't need an off topic subforum (everything 3D Vision related is part of a huge off-topic grieving process anyway, since Nvidia had their way with this incredible technology)

2. One forum is enough. I already hate that I need to check two forums now, since Neil created the second subforum. Maybe someone will have pity and move all the posts in the newly created one.

3. Don't mind separating the technical discussions, but would prefer not to.

Thanks again to everyone for sharing your passion with us, and to Neil for our new home.
Exactly my thoughts :)
I agree, our community that actually posts and engages in discussion is so small that one subforum is enough. It does not move that fast that you might miss something, I like having everything in one place regardless of the category. Someone will post an interesting game I did not know about coming out soon, then a shaderhacker jumps in and says he is looking into a fix (if we're lucky of course) and then we can track progress in the same thread. And if an update breaks things, we can update the same thread...some game threads on the old site had 5-6 years of posts and updates in it. easy to find and make sure you are not asking same question as was already addressed, etc..

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Okay, so...

...good news:

I heard back from Neil and the re-naming and merging is something that can absolutely be addressed, and will be, but not until mid-November, when he's cleared his workload.

Potentially everything in the Nvidia sub-forum might be reduced to a single sub-forum, so I've posted a thread asking what people think that sub-forum should be named:

...if you could post your suggestions via this link it would be a massive help... https://www.mtbs3d.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... 10#p165110

...thanks in advance :)

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Personally I think this entire board has way too many subforums. Discussion is so fragmented.
But I will start using this subforum mainly from here on out unless it's actually driver related. Personally I don't think separate forums is necessary

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Necropants wrote:Personally I think this entire board has way too many subforums. Discussion is so fragmented.
But I will start using this subforum mainly from here on out unless it's actually driver related. Personally I don't think separate forums is necessary
Thanks for responding. General consensus seems to be that everything should be merged and condensed.

Hopefully the extra forum in the Nvidia sub-section at least, should only be a temporary situation.

Thanks for the feedback it's very much appreciated.

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I would also prefer a single subforum for 3D Vision. It's already mid November, so I hope the existing subforums will be merged soon.

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Sorry guys, I've not been around for a while. I'd meant to get back here sooner but had something drop into my lap that I couldn't ignore.

I've PM'd Neil and detailed what it seems people want from the forum (based on the few posts made to the two threads I posted asking for suggestions).

Not sure if he still has his hands full with things, but hopefully he might be able to take a look at things here sooner rather than later.

Cybereality hasn't picked up my PM; it's still sitting in my outbox awaiting collection, so I don't think we can expect help from that direction.

Right now it seems that all we can really do is wait on Neil.

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Thank you for all of the help you are doing with the communication, P.C.Zen. Mark me down as another who would prefer just one sub-forum.

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SnickerSnack1 wrote:Thank you for all of the help you are doing with the communication, P.C.Zen. Mark me down as another who would prefer just one sub-forum.
No worries and thanks :) although, to be honest, I think I might be complicating things more than I am simplifying them...

...but the info has been passed on. :)

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