What is the Best VR now, Valve index, Vive Cosmos?

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Losti wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:44 am I have resend my Reverb G2, if this is the best what i can get as resolution and so on, VR is nothing for me :-)
Unfortunately, that's the reality of what's available due to computing power and sales price point of marketing expectations. To make it available
to the masses and profitable, they skimp here or there. Higher end stuff is for Industrial/Development use and pricey.

I have an Odyssey+ and it's great, for what it is. I think you just need to temper your expectations to the current market and enjoy what's available.

Interesting is the new Varjo X1 for developers
https://www.roadtovr.com/varjo-launches ... e-package/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U_-1jjf6x8

Panasonic is still working on their HMD
https://www.provideocoalition.com/panas ... -ces-2021/

So we can expect less bulky implementations/portable versions of HMDs in the future, like the Lenovo ThinkReality A3 and TCL Wearable Display at CES this year.

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Rumour of Apple's upcoming VR headset:

Screens: twin 8K displays
Cameras: 12+ cameras for hand tracking, environment positioning, AR/pass-through vision
Other sensors: eye tracking, LIDAR for accurate positioning
Processor: Apple Silicon – to power the standalone experience
On device controls: as well as the eye tracking and hand tracking, there is talk of a thimble-like dial on the side of the HMD

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Priced at USD 3K.

I am sceptical but it does intrigue...

FWIW, happy Reverb G2 experiences here - an insane improvement over my old CV1.
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Glad to hear about Apple entering the VR space, and even with a high quality headset, it'll probably make other players like Samsung start thinking on releasing more devices of their own. Bigger market, more choice, better revenue for developers, more games and apps, we all win. I can also imagine Facebook will release another Oculus device so that Apple doesn't take a big chunk of the market, and I can imagine that Valve will have something in mind too, since Index will be 3 years old already in 2022, and Sony will hopefully start talking about psvr2.
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I got the Reverb G2, nice for VR gaming except Low FOV & Mura but to low resolution for Helixmod.
Waiting for a dual 6k or 8k at desent price and not an apple sucker toy.
HTC announced a new headset for this year but no specification yet

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My main PCVR HMD, for sims, is currently the Reverb G1 great resolution IMO, with the supersampling slider, I can achieve what looks to me like 1080p on a monitor in most VR games. For room scale games, I prefer to use my Quest 2 streamed via Virtual desktop to another much larger room that doesn't have the danger of me punching a 3D TV or projector with my controllers. I have Helixvision and it's a great piece of software, but I 've been using Vorpx https://www.vorpx.com/ for a few years. it doesn't rely on the 3D vision driver, has great open gl support. Games I play in Vorpx, mostly look as good as they do in 3D on a 3D monitor. possibly because supersampling can be used as with standard VR titles. I use it often o play older open gl and DX games that has what Vorpx calls "direct vr support" The best results I've had are in old Quake area games like Star Trek Elite Force original COD. It's pretty easy to to make custom profiles with games that use the same engine. I also often play on a big virtual screen with Vorpx and the resolution is pretty stunning that way. I regard both Helixvision and Vorpx to be essential for VR users that are also 3D enthusiasts.

Being a system builder since the days of DOS, one thing I learned about the current state of VR is there is one hardware component that is just as important as the CPU and GPU for a good VR experience and that is the USB controller. All three of the major players Vive, Oculus and WMR are finicky when it comes to USB bandwidth. Some are lucky and have no issues, many that rely on other USB devices have issues until they upgrade to a startech or inatek 3.1 card. Having a good USB controller and limiting what's on that controller goes along way to a great VR experience.

I'm not sure right now is a good time to invest heavily in a VR ecosystem. A lot going on in the development sector and more players with great ideas are coming onto the scene. If I do upgrade any time soon, it will be the G2 with Vive knuckles controllers. I still don't like what the new WMR controllers offer compared to Oculus touch or Valves knuckles. I'm keeping my lighthouses ready in case I do.

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To those who modded their "Vive Pro" with the "Gear VR Lens" mod, how much did this reduce the original FOV by? I wear glasses so am concerned that the reduction in FOV will be substantial with the mod as I believe the lens end up even closer to your face as a result of this mod.

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Yes, the lens mod reduces the clearance between my glasses and the VR lens (I have small frame glasses with 4 ft - not infinity - vision correction, used for 3D Vision and VR gaming). Note that bringing your eyes closer to the lens actually expands FOV. For example, I followed one reviewer’s suggestion to expand the Vive Pro 2’s FOV by buying/installing thinner face pad. I highly recommend the Gear VR lens mod - see my comments at https://www.mtbs3d.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 81#p179581.
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whyme466 wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:35 pm Yes, the lens mod reduces the clearance between my glasses and the VR lens (I have small frame glasses with 4 ft - not infinity - vision correction, used for 3D Vision and VR gaming). Note that bringing your eyes closer to the lens actually expands FOV. For example, I followed one reviewer’s suggestion to expand the Vive Pro 2’s FOV by buying/installing thinner face pad. I highly recommend the Gear VR lens mod - see my comments at https://www.mtbs3d.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 81#p179581.
Thanks for the response. I have small frame glasses too and have the Vive Pro lens distance on the setting that has it closest to my face and still have room for my glasses with current lenses. Not sure if you had the setting at its closest, but if you do. did you have to increase the Lens distance setting (with the button on the bottom of the front of the unit) to still have room for your glasses once you added the lens mod?

I did read of people stating that their FOV was decreased slightly though even without increasing Lens distance setting. Are the GearVR lenses smaller perhaps and this is what reduces FOV? Did you have any particular issues with dust during the conversion? I bought (but have not yet received) a lens mod kit from Etsy that claims no distortion and easy fit so just checking before it arrives as to whether or not I am game enough to attempt the swap. I really dont want a decrease in FOV though.

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I live in one of the dustiest areas of the United States, so I use a Honeywell Air Cleaner.
It does a fantastic job of reducing dust and pollen.
https://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-50250- ... B00007E7RY

Ionizers also work well to remove dust by charging particles and dropping them from the air to be vacuumed.
But the ozone can be a problem, depending on the ionizer robustness. (also good for odors/cigarette smoke)
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ionizer

A whole house Electrostatic precipitator is good for single story homes. It goes in the AC duct work where the return filter is.
Same thing, charges particles to drop and be vacuumed. But annoying, like a bug zapper, with occasional loud pops.
https://molekule.science/electrostatic-air-filter/

I read about a guy that removed his projector lens in the bathroom after running the show on hot to make the
steam drop the particulate count while he cleaned the dirt behind the lens since being manufactured.

GL with the swap

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You DO need to be careful about introducing dust during the replacement process. I purchased a small electronics air blower to help clean all surfaces (useful for cleaning computer fans/parts also), and I still had to install one of the lens twice because of dust.

You may need to change your current lens distance setting slightly, since the non-Fresnel Gear VR lens with 3D printed lens holders are thicker than the original Vive lens.
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I just got a Pimax 8KX yesterday, previously using a Reverb G2. Had Index and OG Vive prior to that. For me, the crown goes to the 8KX by a significant amount. Out of the box the settings were pretty bad. First experience was "MEH". But after reading online posts from other users I was able to dial it in fairly easily to where it came out on top of all the others I've had. About 95% of the clarity of the G2 over a larger sweet spot, near human eye FOV, and spectacular colors. Not even going to try the Vive Pro 2. Many other 8KX owners have, and after tweaking have decided that it crushes the VP2. There is no perfect VR headset, not even close. The Varjo VR-3 currently has the best image quality of them all, essentially retina resolution... and essentially over $5,500 USD if you buy the headset (around $3,000) and the lifetime support package ($2,500) as opposed to annual support ($800). No ongoing support package = headset stops working!
I'll pass on that one. =D Anyway within in 2-3 years we'll have human-eye-resolution headsets priced under $2,000. Exciting times. I still love 3DVision gaming the most though. =D

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Good stuff, I'll probably wait till then, give the tech a couple more years to advance and content to show up. I like reading comparison opinions from ppl who experienced 3DV properly and also good VR.
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Human eye resolution is > 24K x 24K x2 - I doubt we'll have those any time soon - certainly not a gfx card that can manage to display that @ >90fps...

Right now, our best is around 4K x 2K x 2.

I would take marketing claims with a huge grain of salt :)
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@Kaizen777 - how is the optical distortion of the 8KX lens at the outer edges of the FOV, in both normal and wide settings (narrow mode seemed OK)? I do not believe Pimax redesigned the HMD lens for their 8KX version - I REALLY disliked the barrel-like distortion in my older 8K version. I strongly prefer uniform geometry across entire HMD FOV, with no geometric distortion anywhere, when a person moves their head or eyes…
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Pimax 8KX vs. Reverb G2 vs. Varjo VR-3 Through The Lens...

https://youtu.be/2Ah1faUUCwI

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Huge differences between the image quality between all 3 it would seem. Shame about the Varjo price tag... :)
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