@Feisty_Fernando: My apologies in advance but the surest way to embolden a bully is to not stand up to them. Also, I know it's not cool, but I still think facts matter. For anybody tired of this melodrama, please definitely block this thread.
I seriously doubt that anyone actually cares about this discussion, but there are some straight up lies in what RageDemon posted, that I need to correct. If I don't 'fight' then the lies stand and people coming here later can get the wrong impression about me, and I'm not willing to accept that.
For anyone not familiar with debating tactics and rhetoric this will seems like some sort of serious fight, but really it's just extensive hyperbole and RageDemon using debating tricks to try to muddy the waters. You see this in politics all the time today, which is why I describe his approach as Trumpian. That's for the US of course, but you also see this in UK with people like Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson.
Part of the Trumpian playbook is to always try to win, no matter the truth, no matter the topic, no matter the damage produced. Always bully. Always attack, never apologize. Accuse your opponents of the exact same bad behaviour you are using. Never respond to an actual argument. Always deflect by bringing up something irrelevant. When you lose the factual debate, then just start lying and repeat it as propaganda until it becomes the narrative. Anyone who reads RageDemon's posts about me can easily see this pattern.
Let's take some examples:
RAGEdemon wrote:Ah, I'm glad you're being honest now and finally admit that you had no intention of adding me - whatever floats your boat mate, it doesn't really matter to me because it doesn't benefit me in any way - it does benefit the community however, so who are you really hurting?
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A straight up bald faced lie, with no shame. I said no such thing. You'll note the glaring lack of quoted text.
Moreover the game page has been up for a week:
http://helixmod.blogspot.com/2020/01/battletech.html
So what's the point? Simply to try to discredit me and add question in people's minds that are not really paying attention to the details. Very much along the lines of smearing Biden with questions about Ukraine. Slimy behavior, but it's part of the playbook.
RAGEdemon wrote:Now now bo3b, you know well that I have reached out to you on a number of occasions with an olive branch, despite you calling me an "ungrateful wretch" and starting a thread to attack me personally:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/fo ... clickbait/
What was my heinous crime? I dared to say that nvidia's corporate strategy prioritises profit, while discussing ludicrous RTX prices in an RTX graphics card thread that I myself started - Wow, what audacity!
Deflection. Doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand. Here just to confuse and attempt to discredit me.
Offering an olive branch in one hand with a closed fist in the other is not a genuine offer. This is bullying behavior, not a genuine peace offering. A genuine offer would have skipped all the irrelevant crap about old forum posts. This is trying to show what a kind and gentle person he his, and simultaneously making me look bad with cheap digs. That's not an olive branch.
RAGEdemon wrote:But let's be honest here - You did this because you were angry - You held shares in nVidia, and felt 'shown up' by my statement that provided backing evidence to show that corporations lust after short and long term profit as a primary goal - Shocker!
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If I recall, you stated that 3D Vision wasn't profitable but nVidia kept it alive regardless as a counterargument, which is a fair point - only for nVidia to then kill 3D Vision because it wasn't profitable, and you consequently selling your nVidia shares in protest - oh the irony ;-)
Another bald faced lie. The argument had nothing whatsoever to do with my owning NVDA, which I did not. Moreoever, the argument is specious because there is not a single person in 3D land that ever had any illusion it was making money or that NVDA cared.
So what's the point of this quote? Again, just to try to discredit me and make me look bad in front of my peers.
RageDemon doesn't actually know how to debate, but he for sure knows all of the tricks and gimmicks. In an actual debate, you respond to what the other person said in a rebuttal, not ignore it and bring up a completely different irrelevant topic. I can't be 'shown up' in a debate when the other person never actually responds to arguments presented. But in Trumpian land, this is par for the course. I'm sure everyone has seen this in spades. It's tiresome.
RAGEdemon wrote:- For what it's worth, I am sorry my well known 'revelation' bruised your ego so much that you had to start a whole new thread to attack me, trying to make me look bad to the community and get me banned from the forums by vaguely linking my take to 'anti-clickbait' forum rules
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How did that work out? Our awesome community saw through your charade and ignored your thread for the most part, and you disappeared for a long, long time...
Another irrelevant argument meant to deflect and get me off on a tangent. The fact that NVidia does not moderate their forums does not mean I was wrong.
These gimmicks worked on me last time, and I did in fact leave for about a year. I planned to never return. So RageDemon can be proud that one of his finest contributions to the community was to drive me away from 3D altogether. At some point, I connected the dots between his posting style and Trump and realized he just uses Trumpian rhetoric to 'win' at all costs.
He is apparently trying to get me to leave in a huff again, but it's not going to work this time.
Pedantic deflection. RageDemon does this a lot because he knows it was annoying to me. Adding in wikipedia articles for things that I know more about than he does. I'm no longer annoyed, now I just see it as childish. And again with avoiding an actual rebuttal, having an actual conversation. Instead, he poisons the conversation with this type of claptrap, which is why he is not interesting to talk to. He doesn't ever have an actual conversation, he always responds with yet another monologue.
A person offering an actual olive branch, trying to be an actual friend, would have a conversation with you. They respond to what you said, they think about whether you might be right. A person trying to find common ground talks about the actual topic- not bring up years old arguments. RageDemon never argues in good faith like that, he simply blusters like this.
If you are wondering just what the F* does any of this tripe have to do with Battletech and HelixMod, you are not alone.
RAGEdemon wrote:In fact, here's my last message to you:
Hi bo3b,
We miss you man. I hope you're doing well!
Come join us on Discord - DSS has given all shaderhackers moderating privileges; you're welcome to come and kick me out if it'll make you feel better!
I personally don't hold any ill will; I just want everyone to be happy and free
Friends have disagreements all the time, but what truly defines a good friendship is that it overcomes them. I still consider you my friend.
I earnestly hope you'll join us again. Your presence is well missed mate.
Kind regards,
-- Shahzad
Which you promptly ignored of course
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but really bo3b, who is the aggressor? Introspection, my friend, is good for the soul.
Anybody who posts private conversations to make a point cannot be trusted. I do not trust RageDemon, and I will never respond to anything he says in private. It's a public conversation or nothing.
It was a good message that he wrote. Why didn't he write that in public? And not follow it up with yet another cheap shot.
More the point and the actual crux of my beef with RageDemon is that he will never, ever apologize. He falsely accused me of editing my posts, to take a cheap shot and to try to discredit me with my peers. I called him out, and asked him to revert that lie. He ignored it. Then stopped responding altogether.
People who never apologize will never be my friend. We all make mistakes, we all need to own up when we do. With RageDemon, look for
any post where he says "I'm sorry". Go ahead, I'll wait.
RAGEdemon wrote:Now, you tried to deceive everyone above about your time constraint which is now obvious to all; and when I called you on it, you changed your tune - that if I had sucked up to you, you would have 'allowed' me to contribute to our community website - which is simply another Bad Faith fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith - I have been nice to you for a long time bo3b, without much in the way of reciprocation, but abundant vitriol instead - "a*hole", "ungrateful wretch"...
A good example of Trumpian style projection. Use the exact same technique of arguing in bad faith- then accuse your opponent of doing exactly that. It's a particularly slimy approach.
Secondly- this is another bald faced lie. So the irrelevant posting of Bad Faith wikipedia is a failed attempt to get me pissed off and arguging about that, and letting the lie stand unchallenged.
Anyone is welcome to contribute to HelixMods, even RageDemon. As admin I follow the lead of eqzitara, that any first time contributors are not automatically added as contributors. A lot of people do one-off or low-effort fixes, and we don't consider them to be ShaderHackers. Anybody who disagrees with this can take it up with DarkStarSword who is also an admin and can overrule me if he likes.
The point of asking Losti to post the BattleTech fix was because he was involved in the fix, and was already set up to post, which would have saved me time.
RAGEdemon wrote:Speaking of Trumpisms, you will no doubt agree that HelixMod is a community asset and effort; it is not your own personal property. Anyone in the community ought to be allowed to contribute, not only those who you personally feel are nice to you or grovel to win your favour
It doesn't look like you have shared admin privileges with others such as DSS, Losti, Helifax et al. - If you get hit by a bus tomorrow, does HelixMod die? Since you don't "have time" and all, it would be a good idea to share with those you trust - with the added benefit being that you won't have to deal with "ungrateful wretches" such as myself
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Another failed attempt to discredit me, by simply lying about the status and hoping no one notices. I cannot allow stuff like this go unchallenged, which is why I'm wasting my time writing all this up.
Here's the post:
https://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 81&t=23313
You'll note that it has not been edited. PhPBB marks any edited posts. The reason I point that out is because the very next deflection would be to accuse me of editing the post. For anyone not trying to discredit me, they can easily read that DarkStarSword is an admin for the HelixModBlog.
I have no idea why RageDemon takes such an approach with me, it just makes him look clueless or an a*hole. If he didn't like how fast I responded, he could have simply contacted DarkStarSword. But instead, he had to come here and start yet another fight with me.
RAGEdemon wrote:On a related note, does your HelixVision software use fixes made by others from HelixMod? I don't know, but if it does, I hope there is some kind of income sharing with our awesome ShaderHackers and others behind the scenes who also work extremely hard to make fixes...
Markus (PaulDusler) and I have already publicly stated that we are giving 10% of all proceeds to ShaderHackers. HelixVision is also now paying the hosting fees for the file sharing. If there is even
one other person that thinks that Markus and I should not profit from HelixVision, please let us know.
His first 'question' is fake, it's rhetorical and he knows it. Anyone who uses HelixVision knows for a fact that it's based off of 3DFM, and its primary value is the HelixMods. So again, this is simply an attempt to discredit me in front of my peers, and is absolutely a bad faith argument.
RAGEdemon wrote:Sharing is caring my friend
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Hmmm... Shall we catalog my contributions to HelixMod? And then let's catalog RageDemon's contributions?
Always possible to share more, but I feel like I've demonstrated by my actions that I care.
RAGEdemon wrote:Through your actions, you have shown me who you truly are too, bo3b - personally attacking, logical fallacy using, wildly accusing, name calling, bad faith arguing, attempted deceiving, reputation tarnishing, projecting, power tripping, vindictive, trying to get me banned, gatekeeping community assets, not being honest about motivations... the list goes on, and I believe you too - whether you might look inward and admit it to yourself or not.
Again with the Trumpian tactic of accusing me of
exactly the behavior he is showing. This is meant to confuse and distract. I've not done any of those things*, but if you look through his quoted posts, you will find him using all of those tactics.
Once I realized that RageDemon was acting in bad faith, I no longer cared what he has to say.
* Except name calling. Yeah, I did that, I called him an a*hole. If the shoe fits.
RAGEdemon wrote:In contrast to you, however, I believe in forgiveness and second chances - I respect your contributions to our community; - it's sad that you won't say the same about me, but, alas that's a reflection upon you.
As I said in my last olive branch to you:
Friends have disagreements all the time, but what truly defines a good friendship is that it overcomes them. I still consider you my friend.
Except if that were actually true, and not just a cover for his anger and vitriol, then he would have said "I'm sorry" at least once. He would have edited his post to remove the bald faced lies, as I specifically asked. He wouldn't continue to post false statements about me.
I believe in second chances and forgiveness too, but only for people who actually acknowledge their mistakes and apologize.
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