Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 to NOT work with Samsung Legacy?!

[spartanshu]

According to HD3DGuru,
"Samsung offered 3D ready HDTVs in 2007 and 2008. These legacy TVs were designed for 3D PC gaming and use the same checkerboard format. Recently, Mitsubishi decided to modify the 3DC-1000 to restrict compatibility to its own TVs,via the identification data sent along with the HDMI signal called EDID. According to its director of product planning David Naranjo, if a consumer connects a legacy Samsung 3D ready TV to the 3DC-1000 converter, it won't accept the Samsung ID and consequently not pass the 3D signal in high definition."

If this is so, it is very disappointing news.

[cybereality]

Sad. More proprietary lock-ins, this blows.

[BlackShark]

Who didn't see that coming ?
Mitsubishi sells TVs... why would the help their competitors ? It's the same reason why all 3DTV manufacturers went for proprietary glasses and why Sony does not release any PS3 3D games before their own TVs are out.

[spartanshu]

I feel slightly better this morning after reading a post on another forum with a potential solution for Samsung owners. Apparently with a product like this: http://www.amazon.com/Gefen-EXT-HDMI-ED ... B001RIMZUW" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; , the EDID may be reprogrammable. As the DLP Checkerboard tech is essentially the same between the Mits and Sammy TV's, it could work. If the device is incompatible as we fear, I imagine that somebody with one of these devices will start selling modded 3DC-1000's or charge a service to flash one you ship to them (at least I hope so). Short of another manufacturer selling a like device, this may be the only option for us Samsung DLP owners.

[cybereality]

That may be an option, however it could be tricky reprogramming the EDID. EDID contains lots of vital plug and play info like the supported resolutions and specific refresh rates for each mode. So I am not sure an EDID from another set would necessarily work. But it could be an option if you were real desperate.

[pixel67]

This is just so stupid. They would sell more units if they removed EDID detection. It's not like any more checkerboard TV's are coming out, right?

[Jadentheman]

Do they companies and movies studio really want 3D to fail? It like they don't want 3D in homes except to overcharge you so they can get more money while at the same time get rising 3d tickets prices with horrendus conversions.

If these people keep doing what their doing 3D might fail again and never come back

[EmerJency]

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Representatives of Samsung said at a recent press briefing that they expect the Mitsubishi converter box to work with Samsung’s own 2008 and 2009 models of 3-D-ready DLP and plasma TVs, which supported the early 3-D content in a similar fashion. In this case, users need to buy the glasses separately. 

http://broadcastengineering.com/product ... -20100622/

Very exciting news if this info comes from Samsung.

EJ

[DmitryKo]

The "recent press briefing" was held before it was leacked that Mistubishi would lock 3DC-1000 to their own models. Read the first post.

[EmerJency]

The article was posted 06/22/10 so was hoping it had up to date info.

EJ

[taz291819]

The Geffen HDMI Detective will fix this issue. A pain in the ass at first, but once you get the Mits EDID, you're good to go, theoretically anyway.

I do know the HDMI Detective works to get around Directv's EDID blocks, so there shouldn't be any reason to believe it won't work with the Mits adapter.

[DmitryKo]

The Geffen HDMI Detective will fix this issue

As far as I understand, you either need access to a supported Mitsubishi TV, or some low-level application which can send the EDID block from the PC (provided you have somehow downloaded the relevant EDID block to the PC), and if this device does not somehow interfere with HDMI 3D protocol in a destructive way (just like many video switches that love to mess EDIDs and power states), then it should theoretically work.

Anyway, $100 for the 3D convertor box and $130 for HDMI Detective (plus a little pain in the ass) is better than nothing (i.e. shelling out US $1300+ for a new 3DTV - though some might take the opportunity to upgrade to a 73-inch DLP screen )

[DmitryKo]

Looks like the $99 standalone adapter is "3DA-1 Adapter Kit". 3DC-1000 refers to "3DC-1000 Starter Pack" which retails for $399 and inludes 3DA-1 adapter, emitter and 2 pairs of glasses.

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/Mitsu ... Pack.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/pdf/3DA1%2 ... 060810.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

* The Mitsubishi 3D Adapter may be used to display 3D content only when connected to a Mitsubishi 3D Ready TV or a Mitsubishi 3D TV.

[taz291819]

The Geffen HDMI Detective will fix this issue

As far as I understand, you either need access to a supported Mitsubishi TV, or some low-level application which can send the EDID block from the PC (provided you have somehow downloaded the relevant EDID block to the PC), and if this device does not somehow interfere with HDMI 3D protocol in a destructive way (just like many video switches that love to mess EDIDs and power states), then it should theoretically work.

Anyway, $100 for the 3D convertor box and $130 for HDMI Detective (plus a little pain in the ass) is better than nothing (i.e. shelling out US $1300+ for a new 3DTV - though some might take the opportunity to upgrade to a 73-inch DLP screen )

Yeah, you're correct, there is a possibility something can screw it up. We'll know for sure soon enough. A guy over on AVSForum already has the Geffen with the Mits adapter on order.

Software like Powerstrip may come in handy. It can save EDIDs and output any EDID also. Once this guy gets a Mits EDID via the Geffen, he can simply upload it. Theoretically anyway.

[EmerJency]

Apparently a company has taken the HDMI EDID Tool and Mits adapter and made a retail kit out of them for us Samsung 3d DLP owners.

http://www.tru3d.com/products/view_product.php?id=31003" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It looks like the Tool come already loaded with the appropriate Mits EDID and is a plug and play solution for 3D bluray/PS3 gaming.

EJ

[DmitryKo]

$289 is a lot to ask for a kit that contains a $99 adapter and some custom device.

[EmerJency]

$289 is a lot to ask for a kit that contains a $99 adapter and some custom device.

As far as I can tell the bundled device is the Gefen EDID detective which, if I'm not mistaken, retails for $130. It comes preloaded with the Mits EDID. If you buy the Gefen on it's own from another retail site, you will have to program it with the appropriate EDID to work with the adapter.

EJ

[jhonsadins]

why would the help their competitors ? It's the same reason why all 3DTV manufacturers went for proprietary glasses and why Sony does not release any PS3 3D games before their own TVs are out.