Can someone with a rift test my roller coaster? now w/ sound

Post by **boone188** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:20 pm

RiftCoaster has been downloaded 20,000+ times. Because of the high demand, I had to switch to a new download link: https://mega.co.nz/#!MRI1Da7D!YSRtoVW86 ... 6VBaqVP8j8
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I've heard a lot of talk about roller coaster simulations for the rift, but as far as I can tell, nobody has actually tried it. I needed a little starter project to me get up to speed in UDK. So I basically took the epic citadel and plopped a little roller coaster on it. Nothing fancy. Just a proof of concept.

The only problem is I don't actually have a rift yet. So I am hoping that someone with a rift can try it out and tell me if it works.

Thanks for helping! Hope it doesn't make you puke.

[EDIT] Added sound

Removed birds

Post by **pizzy00** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:53 am

I would be happy to test this tonight.

Post by **Cymatic** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:30 am

I am downloading it now, I will have some impressions for you in a little bit.

In the meantime, let me put my garbage can closer to my desk....

Post by **boone188** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:56 am

Sorry about the large file size. I'm sure I could cut that by a factor of 5. But I'm more concerned with making sure the rift support works for now.

Post by **Cymatic** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:34 pm

Dude. YES.

This was a blast, the sense of vertigo at the first drop was killer, and the surprise near the end... SWEET!

One thing, when it started it did not start in 3D with HMDWarp on - I had to adjust that in the console. Do you have it set in your config files?

Having the roller coaster ride all through epic citadel is also wonderful - there is so much to look at while you ride. Makes it feel like a medieval amusement park.
Wow, I feel like I just got off a roller coaster and I didn't leave my chair. Awesome job!

--Cymatic Bruce

Post by **HeadTrip** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:37 pm

Video or it didn't happen Cymatic

Can't wait to try this sometime soon!
Any motion sickness?

Post by **boone188** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:57 pm

Thanks Cymatic! I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's kind of hard to build something without ever being able to see it and test it yourself. I tried to do the needful in the config files, but I guess I missed something. What did you have to change?

Do you think I should expand on this concept? Bigger, better, coasters? Do you think thrill rides will be better, or maybe moody dark rides (Pirates of the Caribbean)?

Post by **BOLL** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:35 pm

Hah! I want to see a video of this

then also with a person experiencing it! Currently I only have access to a mac so I can't try it even without a devkit

Post by **Mystify** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:37 pm

How does it compare to a real roller coaster? /skeptical

Post by **3DByte** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:38 pm

Hi boone, that looks great even without a Rift.
Maybe you can check out the demo of NoLimits Rollercoaster to get more inspirations?

Post by **ften** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:40 pm

That is awesome, when the roller coaster bottoms out after the first drop I could almost feel it in my stomach, like a real roller coaster. I found myself leaning around the turns. I really works well with the Rift.
You just need the roller coaster wheel clacking sound.

I also just edited the BaseEngine.ini Engine.Stereo3D to True so I didn't have to do it through the console.

Post by **boone188** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:48 pm

ften wrote:That is awesome, when the roller coaster bottoms out after the first drop I could almost feel it in my stomach, like a real roller coaster. I found myself leaning around the turns. I really works well with the Rift.
You just need the roller coaster wheel clacking sound.

I definitely plan on adding the clacking sound, and wind. I also need to make a real car. It was just easy grabbing the pre-existing cart. Is it weird being a disembodied head? I want to add a body as well.

I also just edited the BaseEngine.ini Engine.Stereo3D to True so I didn't have to do it through the console.[/quote]
Thanks. I can make that the default.

Post by **boone188** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:51 pm

3DByte wrote:Hi boone, that looks great even without a Rift.
Maybe you can check out the demo of NoLimits Rollercoaster to get more inspirations?

I'm a big fan of NoLimits. If Rift support was added for NoLimits I would be sooo happy. Since people seem to enjoy this, I will make some more fleshed-out coasters. I haven't even tried a loop or barrel roll yet!

Post by **Cymatic** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:03 pm

HeadTrip wrote:Video or it didn't happen Cymatic Can't wait to try this sometime soon!
Any motion sickness?

None, just the pleasant light-headedness that has been typical of cool Rift experiences lately. XD

boone188 wrote:Thanks Cymatic! I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's kind of hard to build something without ever being able to see it and test it yourself. I tried to do the needful in the config files, but I guess I missed something. What did you have to change?

Do you think I should expand on this concept? Bigger, better, coasters? Do you think thrill rides will be better, or maybe moody dark rides (Pirates of the Caribbean)?

Yes, expand on this. Everyone is right regarding the sound - I want to hear the click-clack going up the hill, and the awesome sounds as you get whipped around!

Go full theme park with this. The sky is the limit - A dragon could land on the track and "eat" you, or break a section of the track for a surprise jump. XD

As for the config file, I would recommend:

ften wrote: I also just edited the BaseEngine.ini Engine.Stereo3D to True so I didn't have to do it through the console.

The console commands I used were stereo3D on and hmdwarp on.

Mystify wrote:How does it compare to a real roller coaster? /skeptical

Its all in your head! It can't compare to being physically whipped around, but if I experienced this on a motion platform I would have a hard time telling the difference. Significant vertigo at the top of the first drop though, for sure!

Post by **3DByte** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:07 pm

boone188 wrote: If Rift support was added for NoLimits I would be sooo happy.

There is a mail adress on their site. Maybe I will mail them later to consider Rift support.

Post by **rhinosix** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:09 pm

This sounds like a great result from what you guys are saying - a sense of vertigo, and feeling yourself lean around corners. I wasn't expecting this. I was thinking you'd need some kind of hardware to move your body around like the Simpsons ride at Universal.

It's cool that you get the feeling of being on a rollercoaster with the Rift alone.

Do you go upside-down at any point?

Post by **HeadTrip** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:21 pm

oowwww cant wait!!! I have this bad boy sitting and waiting to strap on or around the back of my chair...
Might be a great use for rollercoasting...

Aura Interactor

Post by **geekmaster** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:22 pm

How do you enter those commands in the console? In my console '~' it gives error messages for them...

Post by **boone188** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:31 pm

geekmaster wrote:How do you enter those commands in the console? In my console '~' it gives error messages for them...

I get error messages when trying to enter the commands as well, but I was assuming that was because I don't have a rift connected.

Post by **geekmaster** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:04 pm

The answers were in the OculusVR forum:

~
stereo
hmdwarp on
~

It works for me.

But the FoV is not correct, so things do not move quite right when I rotate my head.

And for some reason it takes away control and rotates me 180-degrees, like at the top of the climb just after turning the corner...

And those birds flying around up in the sky are only in the left eye view, not the right eye.

But it is fun even so, although taking away head control is a bad thing for demoing this to non-VR people...

It is a GREAT work in progress. Please keep us posted!

EDIT: I just tried running it again with my Rift not connected, and those commands are not "recognized", so this game must rely on the RiftDK EDID (monitor identification) information.

Post by **RedWorm** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:42 pm

Mirrors please!

Post by **zella** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:45 pm

link has generated too much traffic, cant download. can you host somewhere else please

Post by **Pingles** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:51 pm

Cymatic wrote: None, just the pleasant light-headedness that has been typical of cool Rift experiences lately. XD

"Rift high"

Post by **boone188** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:18 pm

zella wrote:link has generated too much traffic, cant download. can you host somewhere else please

Sorry about that. I didn't know about this limitation of DropBox. I am going to take our the middle man and host it in my own S3 bucket.

Post by **JayJay** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:20 pm

Oh my lord, that was awesome hahahaha, exellent job man!

Post by **LazyDodo** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:39 pm

For some reason the hmdwarp shader refuses to activate, it takes the command just fine. there's just no visual difference while in any of the standard udk levels you see the barrel distortion instantly. However even without the proper distortion WHOHA! THAT WAS FUN!!

Post by **boone188** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:42 pm

geekmaster wrote:The answers were in the OculusVR forum:
~
stereo
hmdwarp on
~
It works for me.

But the FoV is not correct, so things do not move quite right when I rotate my head.

And for some reason it takes away control and rotates me 180-degrees, like at the top of the climb just after turning the corner...

And those birds flying around up in the sky are only in the left eye view, not the right eye.

But it is fun even so, although taking away head control is a bad thing for demoing this to non-VR people...

It is a GREAT work in progress. Please keep us posted!

EDIT: I just tried running it again with my Rift not connected, and those commands are not "recognized", so this game must rely on the RiftDK EDID (monitor identification) information.

I believe you can use the "fov 110" command to change the fov. Or you can modify it within UDKEngine.ini (I should make this the default).

Right now your view is always relative to the cart. If your head it turned to the right, you should be looking to the right of the cart. I know that taking control of the users view goes against the first commandment of VR, but it's just how a roller coaster works. I am definitely open to suggestions though.

Thanks for trying it!

Post by **geekmaster** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:45 pm

I can see that your solution prevents the potential risk of a roller coaster going in circles causing strangulation from the RiftDK (and headphone) cables wrapping around your neck...

But it is still jarring to lose control like that without vestibular feedback when the coaster turns, not under your own control. Perhaps this experience teaches us that we need gradual turns, when not from user-controlled steering.

Post by **museumsteve** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:47 pm

Pretty sure NoLimits also has motion support with programs like x-sim3 that would be amazing with Rift aswell

Post by **boone188** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:57 pm

Ok. I cut out the middle man. Here is the direct S3 link:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/RiftCoaster/UD ... oaster.exe

I will update the OP too. It should be pretty fast (it only takes about a second for me).

Post by **jayoh** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:28 pm

LazyDodo wrote:For some reason the hmdwarp shader refuses to activate

same issue here. looks okay, just not optimal.

Post by **zalo** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:20 pm

LazyDodo wrote:For some reason the hmdwarp shader refuses to activate, it takes the command just fine. there's just no visual difference while in any of the standard udk levels you see the barrel distortion instantly. However even without the proper distortion WHOHA! THAT WAS FUN!!

+1 to all those sentiments!

Post by **defactoman** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:47 pm

Yea same here, hmdwarp doesn't want to engage.

Post by **kenohki** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:56 pm

No warping for me either.
I did have a go around a few times, to this forum, and then back on the coaster again before I even noticed something was a little odd. It really didn't distract too much.
It's going to be one of the highlights of my demo material tomorrow

Post by **boone188** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:58 pm

kenohki wrote:No warping for me either.
I did have a go around a few times, to this forum, and then back on the coaster again before I even noticed something was a little odd. It really didn't distract too much.
It's going to be one of the highlights of my demo material tomorrow

Woot! That's so nice to hear. My hard work seems to have paid off!

Post by **boone188** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:23 pm

zalo wrote:
LazyDodo wrote:For some reason the hmdwarp shader refuses to activate, it takes the command just fine. there's just no visual difference while in any of the standard udk levels you see the barrel distortion instantly. However even without the proper distortion WHOHA! THAT WAS FUN!!
+1 to all those sentiments!

The only thing worse than having to wait for the rift: needing to debug a feature that is only enabled by plugging in the rift, and not having access to the code!

If I can figure out what is going on I will definitely get it fixed asap. If you want to help debugging, here is the first thing I would do:

- Open \UDK\UDK-2013-03\UDKGame\Config\UDKEngine.ini
- Copy everything below [Engine.Engine] into \UDK\RiftCoaster\UDKGame\Config\UDKEngine.ini
- Copy all the other .ini files from \UDK\UDK-2013-03\UDKGame\Config to \UDK\RiftCoaster\UDKGame\Config

Post by **geekmaster** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:42 pm

I think hmdwarp worked for me, but only with the RiftDK plugged in. At least, it looked good and I did not notice any distortion, so it must have been working correctly...

I think it may have activated automatically or something the second time I started it in my Rift. I don't know, but it just started, looking good, without typing any commands...

Post by **pizzy00** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:42 pm

It was fun even though warp is not on. Stereo seemed to be off a bit too. The birds in the distance looked weird. Great job so far. Did you use the Oculus UDK? I wasn't sure if there is a special UDK for Oculus.

Post by **geekmaster** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:43 pm

As I mentioned previously, the birds in the distance are only in the left eye. That is weird...

Post by **boone188** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:49 pm

I really like the birds, so I will have to figure out what's wrong with them and fix it. The birds are staying!