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Just watched the overlord raising hell video.
Sync and quality are very good but as you said the framerate is choppy.

I also have trouble with your s-3d settings, i don't like pop-out and everytime an object comes close to the camera, my eyes hurt.
It doesn't even need to pop-out, just approaching the focus point feels painful, i think the cameras are too far apart due sep/conv settings.

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Shows everyone sees differently. I actually like his settings better. However You both did a good job :)

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Well, I'm relatively new to s3d, especially iz3d drivers, so this explains why I stink at tweaking the settings. I finished the whole game a month ago (in regular mono-3d), so I played with the settings for 5-10min till I felt it looked good, with enough depth (on my anaglyph glasses) before the recording. But I'll be happy to see another version, especially with higher framerate :). Now with this new side-by-side mode you can produce 60fps (59,94 for NTSC to be precise) clip with your method, that's something I'd love to see (for other games as well). If you feel like trying Overlord, here's the Demo version, and v1.1 patch for it.
To achieve this (as you probably already know) use smart-bob avisynth filter like yadifmod(+nnedi), mcbob(+nnedi) or even the good old TDeint(+nnedi). At least that was the best possible method few months ago when I updated my knowledge and techniques I use gathering info form doom9 forum.
I myself will wait for Antialiasing fix on ATi gpus before doing more captures, this will increase quality and save some bitrate :).


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I have just encoded the new tomb raider tests using side by side mode.

The process is indeed much easier and shorter than before but the quality isn't there in horizontal mode.
I'll upload both 30fps and 60fps versions but i think i'll redo it again with over/under mode to see if the quality is any better. The quality reduction is rather significant.
will add the links as they're uploaded.

here is the 1st one :
side by side and deinterlaced at 30fps (caution side by side parallel video, not crosseyed)
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tonauqyioji

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update to tell the 60fps version is uploaded
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?megztckwy1e

i have just recorded an other version of the same footage using the over/under output.
will post both 30fps and 60fps versions as soon as they are complete.
So far, the over/under interlaced raw footage seems to look better than the side by side but i'll wait to see the final deinterlaced versions and check the difference with the shutter (interlaced recording) versions.

My bet is the shutter (interlacedd recording) should look a little better due to the interlaced recording but the question is how much better ?
Side by side recording is a lot easier to do than shutter recording, if the quality isn't that bad, i think i'll go for the side by side recording for my future videos.

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over/under 30fps and 60fps versions online (see first page)
The quality is much much better. Now the final test : comparing the new over/under versions with interlaced pageflip.
Will record interlaced this evening and i hope finishing the editing and uploading tomorrow so that we can compare the quality.

Needless to say that recording the over/under version is much, much, much, much easier than unsynched pageflipped.

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Here we are, all recordings completed

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Video 2 The Caves : Testing iZ3D's side by side mode for recording (95MB each) 50% physical separation on 22inch screen -NEW-
V2.0 : Stereo3D (previous recording method) -NEW- <- recommanded (best resolution)
V2.1 : side by side (parallel, not crosseyed) 30fps deinterlacing -NEW-
V2.2 : side by side (parallel, not crosseyed) 60fps deinterlacing -NEW-
V2.3 : over/under (left eye on top) 30fps deinterlacing -NEW-
V2.4 : over/under (left eye on top) 60fps deinterlacing -NEW- <- recommanded (new favorite method)


As far as quality goes, the previous recording method (shutter output) looks higher resolution and sharper but is limited to 30fps and requires permanent 60fps rendering with v-sync or the video unsynches and i have to do lots of manual operations to correct the video.

On the other hand, the over/under videos look a little less good than the previous recording method, but is much much much easier to capture and edit.
It also allows 60fps video with proper deinterlacing which looks very very good. It's my new favorite capture method.

The side by side video is last, the image quality is way too low, it looks completely blurry (due to both horizontal resolution reduction and interlaced video capture).
It's the worst option and i'll never use it again.

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added Left 4 Dead video.
I've used the iZ3D over/under mode and used 60fps deinterlacing
I've made two versions : high separation and low separation but since every left 4 dead game is different, both videos are worth watching.
I'll try to make a good quality anaglyph version for the low separation and upload it to youtube.

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Video 2 - Dead Air level 1 High separation (81MB) - Low separation (94MB) - 100% / 25% physical separation on 22inch screen -NEW-

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wow dude amazing ! watched the last 2 videos at 1 am with lights turned of- hehehe really pumped me up. The 25% separation looks best on the iz3d.

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wow dude amazing ! watched the last 2 videos at 1 am with lights turned of- hehehe really pumped me up. The 25% separation looks best on the iz3d.

I feel more depth in the high separation (it's tuned to match the true human eyes separation) but the flashlight artifacts cause much more eyestrain since they are amplified at high separation.

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With iZ3D beta 10 fixing all bugs present in Devil may cry 4, I warned Devil May Cry 4 would be next...
So here it comes with 3 videos available in 3 different formats + youtube
That's a whopping 16 different versions
-S3D
-Anaglyph
-Colorcode
-Youtube (anaglyph + colorcode)

links on first page
If a link is blank : the video is still uploading
If a link is broken (error 404 or linking to wrong version) I may have made i mislabeling, tell me about it so that i can correct the link.

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Thanks for the amount of work you put into the vids. After watching your DMC4 vid, and since the 3DVision list says it's rated Excellent in S3D, I decided to order the game on Amazon and was surprised because it's only 10 bucks + shipping from marketplace vendors. Only thing I wonder is how keyboard controls will fare with this game.

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With iZ3D beta 10 fixing all bugs present in Devil may cry 4, I warned Devil May Cry 4 would be next...
So here it comes with 3 videos available in 3 different formats + youtube
That's a whopping 16 different versions
-S3D
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-Colorcode
-Youtube (anaglyph + colorcode)

links on first page
If a link is blank : the video is still uploading
If a link is broken (error 404 or linking to wrong version) I may have made i mislabeling, tell me about it so that i can correct the link.


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It would be better to use a gamepad like the xbox 360 gamepad.

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Tril wrote:
It would be better to use a gamepad like the xbox 360 gamepad.

100% agree
Devil may Cry 4 is made for gamepads, especially gamepads with LOTS of buttons like the Xbox 360 or the Playstation 2/3 pad.

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Are videos of Mirror edge gonna be uploaded?


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i wish i could.
Unfortunately Mirror's edge refuses to start in any other mode than anaglyph, so i can't record it.
Same bug with Unreal Tournament 3 and Gears of War and it's been like that for a while.

The next game will probably be half life 2 + episodes 1 or 2 since BlackQ announced they have corrected the weapon oversizing for iz3d v1.10beta3

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New game : Assasin's Creed Video1 : a little walk in the lower city
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Video 1 : Stereo3D Anaglyph Colorcode (91MB) - 25% physical separation on 22inch screen Youtube -NEW-

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Hey BlackShark, have you got UT3? I can only play UT2004 in S3D but would like to see what I have to look forward to.

And the new version of AudioSurf! :)

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hey
I haven't recorded anything for a while but i promise i'll do some more very soon.
UT3 is coming, Audiosurf as well, some Half Life 2, some more left 4 dead, and some other games too.

I'm also eager to get my hands on iZ3D 1.10beta 4, i hope it will fix more bugs.

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I dont get this. Why in this video are the left eye (cyan) and right eye (red) of having equal or greater separation for distance objects than the separation on altair himself?
The more distant the object, the less the peceivable separation should be between the left eye and right eye.
I hope someone can explain this to me, because ive wondered about this for sometime, and why havent other people?

It gives a fake 3d effect.


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It's fine. That's how sight works. Think about it. In real life, when you look an an object very close to you, you rotate you eyes inward toward the object. If that objects gets farther, you rotate you eyes outward. If the object is very very far, you eyes will look roughly straight ahead while you look at the object.

Your eyes are physically separated by some distance. If you look at an object in a game that is very far, your eyes need to look straight ahead while looking at the object. To see that object straight ahead in each eye, the object on screen needs to be separated roughly by the distance between your eyes.

If that's not clear enough, I could make a drawing to explain myself.

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Having objects being less separated when they are far than when they are close is a pop-out camera configuration. It makes all objects in the scene to jump in your face, the farthest object being displayed at the depth of your screen. It works very well in a theater but it causes a lot of eyestrain when watched on a computer monitor.

I designed these videos to use depth only (all objects behind the screen, never throwind stuff in your face, the screen acts like a window showing you the 3D world behind it).
This configuration makes far objects more separated than close objects.

These anaglyph videos were made to be used with the cyan lens on the right eye and the red lens on the left eye.
If you are watching the video from the stereo file, try the swap eyes function to get it back the right way.
Stereo video players also have a feature to slide the images horizontally in order to change the amount of pop-out/depth on the fly.

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I see. Thanks for the explanation guys, much appreciated!


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Left4Dead footage from Death toll campaign, more footage from other games coming this week end
Video 3 - Death Toll footage - Stereo3D Part 1 (95MB) part 2 (58MB) - 25% physical separation on 22inch screen - Youtube-NEW-

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Video 1 noumenon & sign of colossus : Stereo3D (95MB) - 25% physical separation on 22inch screen - Youtube - -NEW-

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hey black, i can set up an account for you so you can upload the files directly to mtbs. that way they wont get deleted.

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That would be very nice.

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Youtube 3D !
I am currently uploading my stereo3D versions to Youtube using the new YT3D feature.
Expect some big cleanup with all the download links : I'll remove all the anaglyph and Colorcode versions since they are not needed anymore.
I will only keep two links : the original Stereo3D footage download links for the highest quality @60fps and the Youtube3D "preview" links.

Note from previous updates :
I'm away from my main computer for a while, no new 3D footage from me until September at least.

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Moved the thread as requested.

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Youtube 3D !
I am currently uploading my stereo3D versions to Youtube using the new YT3D feature.
Expect some big cleanup with all the download links : I'll remove all the anaglyph and Colorcode versions since they are not needed anymore.


Is there anywhere on mtbs3d with say a list of good s3d people on youtube to follow or has lots of nice content? I have yuri's youtube page bookmarked cause I know he is always adding new s3d stuff on youtube, who elses youtube page does people here bookmark?

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Is there anywhere on mtbs3d with say a list of good s3d people on youtube to follow or has lots of nice content? I have yuri's youtube page bookmarked cause I know he is always adding new s3d stuff on youtube, who elses youtube page does people here bookmark?


the best way to build up such a subscription list is to constantly peruse the youtube search results for new 3d videos- when searching arrange them by "newest"- I have now subscribed to a plethora of cool youtube 3d channels

btw in your channel I noticed the awesome vid titled "White and Nerdy sung by the Whitest Guy on Earth" - is that you in the video?

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Yuri, can you provide the link to the white nerdy guy? Cause I am not nerdy - just geeky ;) Is not me, but there are so many cameras all over today's society you never know when you are being filmed. Also why not post your youtube bookmarks here? You are big internet celebrity now and will have huge fanboi following the rest of your life, for good and bad ;) LOL! I know bill gates recently said one of the things he regretted most was his lack of privacy.

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New video from BlackShark
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Video 1 : footage from chapter 2-1 Stereo3D Part1 (96MB) Part2 (78MB) Youtube3D -NEW-

New videos from Cybereality :
AaaaaAAaaaAAAaaAAAAaAAAAA!!! -- A Reckless Disregard for Gravity
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Video 1 : Benchmark (in slow motion) Youtube3D -NEW-

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I found an awesome montage of 3D games in YT3D... Oh, and it's 1080p!
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Great footage indeed, but separation is quite strong.

I have finally ordered my full PC with the HD capture card (i'm not going the FRAPS way). It should arrive next week (yepee)

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Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:57 am
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BlackShark wrote:
Great footage indeed, but separation is quite strong.

I have finally ordered my full PC with the HD capture card (i'm not going the FRAPS way). It should arrive next week (yepee)

What capture did you get? The Hauppauge HD-PVR?


Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:33 pm
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I bought a blackmagicdesign Intensity pro. Can't wait to get my hands on it :twisted:

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Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:55 pm
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Pretty sure that just captures raw, right? no hardware encoder on it? Gonna either need a BIG harddrive, and compress later, or a separate REALLY fast computer... This is the reason I had always recommended the HD-PVR, with driver in interlaced mode, instead...


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There is a very good quality MJPEG encoding/decoding chip onboard. That's the codec I already use for editing video and which i'll be very happy to continue using.
(although I would have loved to try Redcode raw wavelet codecs but... it's maybe asking a bit too much for such a low priced HD card)

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