In all honesty the new iz3D monitor is vaporware at this point. Have they shown it at any trade shows? I don't think so. Maybe they have a prototype in the labs or something but who knows how good the quality is. I am skeptical it will ever even come out and even if it does it could easily suffer from the same problems as the current model. I certainly would not base a buying decision on a product that may or may not come out.

with the ZALMAN you can have amazing stereoscopic view for games without ghosting with the NVIDIA drivers and also stereoscopic view for any normal dvd movie (not blue ray!) with the TRI DEF drivers.
Of course that solution for the movies is not as perfect as for games, but it remains a funny one and it is much more pleasant than the solution of seeing with anaglyph glassses(red,blue) the 3d movies.
And having at home the fuji real d 3D camera is the perfect solution with the ZALMAN.
SO THE ZALMAN SOLUTION SHINES

I am more optimistic

sorry Yuri but i dont understand why you are so optimistic wth IZ3D.
when i was using it before, after 5 minutes it was impossible tu continue viewing it. But from the moment i bought the ZALMAN my pleasure is unlimited...Avatar the game with ZALMAN and nvidia drivers gives me a virtual depth of 60 inches of game space without any ghosting!!!
i found this amazing!
i am wondering also if you tried the FUJI REAL D camera with the zalman monitor, because i am sure you will be very amazed again, much more than the Minoru that i have too.

the only solution that i have not tried yet is the 3d vision because i never liked the flickering of old shutter glasses.

27 inche is too big
wait you say nvia driver, so shuttrr glssdes?

You can't be serious. Too big for what?

1: for the price
2: for my mothe on the desktop

Well now I'm curious, so the Zalman has 0 ghosting?? Not even the slightest bit?

Are there any pictures taken through the glasses lens that can give an idea of the resolution/ghosting?

(welcome) Yeaah, I was also wondering about that, is that possible, to put the glasses over the camera??

would be great

HI EVERYBODY!
There is one way to believe THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE...

We must always test the hardware before buying it, and it is sure that we will be happy with our decision, if it is possible of course.




iz3d owner
ZALMAN owner and user
finepix real 3d camera owner and user
minoru owner and user
acer 3d laptop (TRIDEF SYSTEM) owner and user
i -glasses owner
nvidia 295 owner and user
and so on....


game fanatic (despite of my age) and 3d rendering fanatic
and of course CRAZY FOR STEREOSCOPIC VISION

what do you mean?

Ok, now I understand

On my part, I'm about to buy a Zalman and retire my lovely CRT that has served me for so many years that the memories of the firsts days fade away in the myst of time.
I see people very satisfied with the Zalman, and I'm a bit tired of so many cables and batteries messing around, so a passive solution sounds very interesting to me.

yeah? that view angel, hoe is tgat, and I alsi wat to hear about nvidia solution?

Don't get the wrong idea. There is ghosting on the Zalman, just like everything else. The ghosting is just minimal and not in your face. You also have to be in the perfect viewing position or else there is a lot of ghosting. But when in the sweetspot it looks pretty decent. Here is a test I did to illustrate the low ghosting:

Indeed, looks great,.
Is that the polarized version of viewing?
oow, and, how iss the contrat ratio, cause now I have a realy bad on.
Thanks for the pictures, Is that also possible in game?, like asssssin's creed (my much playedgame) how does that looks.
greetz
victor
edit: and what about the dept amount, how is that, Because, with my anaglyph glasdes, it's only 5 with nvidia drivers
pss:Wait, are the glsses from iz3d different than zalmans?
psss: so, zalma has 120 hz?

You can have as much or as little depth with any glasses. It depends on the stereo separation you are using. (Although some people use low separation to deal with high ghosting levels)
Another setting that dramatically changes the 3D experience is convergence, but is hiden in the nvidia driver and needs to be activated explicitly. I can't understand it. Maybe is to avoid self induced sickness due to wrong convergence settings.

Zalman is interlaced, polarized monitor. Odd lines for one eye, even lines for the other. According to the specs, max refresh rate is 76Hz, not 120.

iz3d is more complex. The polarization layer is dynamic and changes how much light goes for each eye at subpixel level for each frame according to their own algorithm. This way you have full resolution for each eye.

HI crim3.
I think you choose very cleverly to buy Zalman Trimon because i am sure that you will be pleased and calm for a long time ...
THE SWEET SPOT to view the perfect image EXISTS but it is very easy to find and get used to.
Sadly you cant find a sweet point in the IZ3D monitor, that is the problem and because of that reason you have to minimize the stereoscopic depth. So for me personally to have a good resolution in that way is useless.
And finally i must admit that i am much more pleased with my ZALMAN than with my old crt with old shutter glasses,flickering and so on...


ZALMAN + +AVATAR GAME + FUJI FINEPIX REAL3D=

the zalman is nice, however the one problem I have with it is that games have to be at full res to work or has this been fixed?

I dont understand what you mean!
But i ask you have you seen AVATAR, OR GHOSTBUSTERS with the Zalman?

I mean can you only play 3d games in 1680*1050 and if you lower the resolution there will be black borders? Not sure if this is only the iz3d driver or nvidia driver also. Haven't had a chance to test the zalman but I hear it's awesome.

yes YURI you must put 1680x1050, if not you cant see in stereoscopic at all.
But this does not make a big problem i suppose for you if you like to play modern games!
but i had the same problem with IZ3D also...

i must admit that i have not tried yet the 3dvision glasses and i dont feel at all interested to do that for now!
in the future i dont know but for the present time i feel very pleased with my hardware.

ah ok, thats not good at all then. The game I play most is in windowed mode and I have a few other games I prefer to play in windowed mode as well.

I have the iZ3D, and it does allow any resolution for 3D effect.

You can play windowed mode on the Zalman, but only with the iz3D drivers. The Nvidia drivers are full-screen only.

cybereality i like to play games in full screen mode!
NOT YOU???

so you can use zalman and nvidia, even it's not 120hz?
Ad nidiais really so bad, or the pruce isjust to high?.
I still doubt

and zalman, what kind of driver is that using, it own or what?

The Zalman is NOT 120Hz. It just just 60Hz, but works with the Nvidia driver in a special interlaced mode. From what I understand the Nvidia 3D Vision would probably be better image quality but with a little more ghosting and a higher price. The main draw of the Zalman is that it works with nearly all the drivers. You can use the Nvidia driver, the IZ3D driver or the TriDef Ignition driver. So you have lots of options.

And yes, I only play games in full-screen mode full-resolution 1680 x 1050. Its the only way to play. Anything less in uncivilized.

So, Nvidia is also good.
I'm almost sure I stay to an nvidia card. But, there are somany 120hz screen. Should be a good price somewhere, viewsonics for example.
I'm really thinking about nvidia..
Or zalman+iz3d, is that really good,

As cybereality says the zalman is compatible with both nvidia as well as the ddd-tridef and the iz3d solution. There are not many if any displaysolutions these days which are as compatible. Peter Wimmers stereoscopic player supports it excellently as well. One notch upwards should be getting a passive polarized rig but that's of course a lot more expensive and hardly suitable as an instep to 3d (unless you're willing or able to spend money of course).

and wich tech are they using in cinemas?

It depends. Cinemas in general uses single projector solutions. Some older Imaxcinemas alters L/R images several times a second and needs shutters to work.
Most popular nowaday is polarized solutions though. Most of these works with single projectors which alters views similar to a shuttersetup but also alternate polarization with the left/right eye views. A so called silverscreen which maintain polarization when light is reflected is needed for those using polarization. Because of this only passive polarized glasses are needed. Imax uses "linear" polarization while real-d uses "circular" polarization + an antighosting algorithm because of the less extinctionrate-property of circular polarizers.

You can do this at home but then it's cheaper getting two projectors instead of one compatible and use polarized filters for the projectors. There's still need for a silverscreen but in return everybody will be able to view by just wearing passive polarized glasses. It's expensive (two projectors, silverscreen@about 110 euros/quaremetre, ability to get filters etc) but as is today this gives the best stereoimage overall at home. Computerwise the compability is as high as for the zalman but future stereogaming on consoles, stereobroadcasting may not work.

A budget solution is getting a 3d-vision approved projector and use with the nvidia 3d-visionglasses. You must meet the 3d-visioncriteria (min winvista, min 8000series nvidiacard, not ati) for this to work. Only 3d-vision compatible softwares will work with this setup though. No silverscreen is of course needed but each and every viewer needs a pair of 3d-vision shutters.

Anyway: As for an introduction to 3d i really recommend either the iz3d or the zalman display because both of them are quite cheap. I don't have a zalman but an iz3d and can only speak for that (and dual projection. ). The iz3d is a very bright stereoscolution compared to others but on the nag side it ghosts a bit. Compability is decent since iz3d drivers are among the best today. Peter Wimmers player also supports it so you can watch movies without problem either.
Anaglyph is in my concern only suitable for showcasing stereo and depth but not really an option in the long race. However compability with anaglyph is excellent as well.

i still don't know, cause now my anaglyph is a really bad solution, seperation adn depth amount must be relly low to work, but 3d is than also minimum.

e minimum recomendes, and will upgrade to the 300 series of nvidia, wicha re going to be powned .


So, nvidia is also good, but zalman and iz3d are cheaper. Hmmm, difficult. What is zalman for driver using, because I'm not going to use iz3d, cause I really want no, or almost no ghosting.
So nvida, or iz3d+zalmann


ps are the glasses from iz3d and zalmann the same??

Nope. Iz3d and the zalman uses different kind of glasses.
You'll also risks some ghosting with the nvidiashutters according to the nvidiaforums but i think this depends on the display used and/or the software.
The zalman also works with the ddd and nvidiadrivers.

If its what it appears to be, looks like 0 ghosting to me. So its just a matter of finding the "sweet spot" then? That's no biggy, but I'm curious how far away from the screen this sweet spot is? I'm seriously thinking of giving up my iZ3D for the Zalman.

Do RealD circular polarized glasses (from the cinemas) work with the zalman?

Edit:

I just read a review about the interlace affecting the in-game text. Have you ever noticed this? In what way does it affect text?

Does zalman use the "two monitors" concept like iZ3D (where there is mouse cursor issues), or is it a single monitor solution? If it's single monitor, that means it fully supports DirectX 10/11? and SLI/Crossfire?

Does it require a Nvidia Card? or only for using the Nvidia 3D Drivers?

The more I think about it, the better it sounds.

Like I said before, there is ghosting on the Zalman but it is very low. I don't want to misrepresent things. The pictures posted were an absolute best-case scenario. In practice you will experience some ghosting but you usually will not notice if you are not looking. The following image is more indicative of the actual experience playing a game. Open it fullscreen and view cross-eyed:



As you can see on the left there is some minor ghosting with the high contrast white on black. In most cases you will not notice this while playing, but its there. You can also adjust the screen so there is less ghosting in certain areas (like either the top or the bottom of the screen). To get the best experience the vertical center of the monitor should be on eye level. You should be sitting between 1 to 3 feet (1 meter) from the monitor for the best experience. Moving from side to side is not a problem. Moving up or down will cause serious ghosting. So you just adjust the monitor or your seat properly before playing.

RealD glasses from the theaters will work, but they are not as good quality (not the exact polarization) as the ones that come with the monitor. However for quick tests, YouTube3D videos, etc. the RealD glasses will be fine. When sitting down for a long gaming session I always use the Zalman glasses, though.

The interlacing basically ruins in-game text (while wearing the glasses). If there are big icons or large text it is fine. For example, the sub-titles in the Avatar game are readable. However some games use small pixel fonts which become almost impossible to read. This is because the interlacing splits the characters up and if they are too small it looks like garbage. Most games, though, do not require that you sit there reading so its not a big problem. If you play a lot of MMOs or other games where text is important, this might be an issue though.

The Zalman is just a single panel monitor (1 DVI) with a special xpol polarizing film attached. Using the Nvidia driver it should be possible to use DirectX10 and SLI if you wish. Obviously the Nvidia driver will require an Nvidia card (8800 GT or better) and Windows Vista/7. Otherwise you can use the IZ3D driver or the TriDef Ignition driver. That is one of the main benefits of the Zalman is that you are not stuck with one driver.

I hope that helps.

soo, zalmn+nvidia, hmm,
And If I want, I can use zalman glasses with iz3d driver right?, ot, wait, zalman has his own drivers.
aah, I see

Ok, I have my Zalman, at last. And is one of the bests purchases I've ever done. It arrived on Monday, but only had time to plug it and test stereo with the thousand times seen nvidia logo test application. Yesterday I had more time and realized how good it is.

At first sight you can see that the price is somewhat low for the quality of the manufacture. It really seems like something more expensive. Once connected to the computer the colors are bright and intense. I must admit the TFTs have gone a long way.

The 3D is the best I've ever seen Crisp, color-rich, comfortable and smoooooth, very smooth. Interlacing is barely noticeable. Well, the text is somewhat ruined, but graphics are almost full resolution like. You really need to concentrate on the fact that it's interlaced to notice it.
Ghosting is very low and doesn't interferes on the stereo perception. I was used to high ghosting levels when using shutters with my CRT.

Now I'd like to try personally the 3D vision glasses to do a fair comparisson, but it's not possible by now. But based on what I know from my experience (my z800 and my shutters, both page flipping solutions) I can imagine how it is: more definition, but blurry movements and uncomfortable stereo due to the fact that only one eye is looking at the image at a time. I have the feeling that two eyes seeing at the same time is very superior.

EDIT: removing my "complain" about the power consumption. I was wrong, it's only 60W.

thanks, zalman, hmm, I will see. anyway, thanks or your comment
I have 1 questions.
1: Is there much popout in games like assassin's creed(my most played game, how does the game looks in 3d). Is there much anyway?

There isn't much pop-out in any stereo-3D game unless you force it to happen more than it would happen with the settings. Usually, low separation and high convergence.
Stereo is not about pop-out. What stereo does is to make the screen dissapear and open a continuous world that goes from infinite to the tip of your nose. Screen shouldn't be a reference and vanish once stereo is enabled. Anyway, as the screen is still there and you can see it , things will pop-out when are close to your face, what doesn't happen too often in any game, except forcing it with the stereo settings as I said before.

hmm, a shame. But in that trailer by nvidia, it's al pop out.
But what you described, isn't the same effect I got with anaglyph, possible?, but I will try your settings.

Yes, sure. Use ctrl+F6 to rise convergence. If it becomes too uncomfortable reduce seperation with ctrl+F3. Look for a balance of separation and convergence that allows a comfortable view with the desired pop-out effect with ctrl+F3/F4 and ctrl F5/F6.

Remember to enable the convergence keys in the nvidia control panel if you haven't done that already.