Projector wont suit my room. Moreover I would like to have 1080p minimum. I'll wait for a couple of weeks and then decide. If there are no releases then I'll think of the latest 27 inch asus(Nvidia 3D vision 2 kit) with GTX 590 and corsair HX750 power supply.

Thanks for your help guys.

Why don't you get 3 projectors or three 27 inch monitors for nvidia 3d surround and two nvidia gtx 590. You can go more than 1080p with 3d vision surround eh.

I think 27 inch will have roughly the same height as a 32 inch and with 3 27 inch monitors it will give the span of like two 32 inch monitors.

I am not sure if you could fit two gtx 590 cards in your computer, or what your totally aiming for in an upgrade. You might have problems with a gtx 590 in a ddr2 motherboard. AMD now has 8 core cpus AM3+ and you can get 8 gigs of ram for like 50 bucks, I'd be putting in 16 gigs too if you decide to upgrade your motherboard.

At least if you get your gtx 590, use your current spec system and get a 3d vision 2 kit and 27 inch monitor you could technically put in 2 more monitors later in the year. I am just not sure if asus sells those monitors without the glasses, but then you would have more glasses too which they sell for around 99 bucks.

I'm sure you know whats right to get, hopefully you get what you need for imersion.

^I really can't afford that.

I might even settle for gtx580 if I cant get everything(monitor, graphics card and smps) under $1.5k.

Why a gtx590 might have problems with ddr2 mobo?

And will my current transcend 800 MHz 4GB ram really be a bottleneck?

Well the ddr2 is not nearly as fast as ddr3 for one thing, things are not going to load as fast. A gtx 580 or gtx 590 might even and probably won't even work after awhile and you'll have to upgrade later anyways. Does you mobo have pci-express x16 2.0 or 2.1? Thats another huge factor. I'm not trying to nit pick on your system. I'd just be carefull on using slower and backwards compatable hardware.

I hope I am not ruining your 3d information with upgrade talk. Its that 3d takes alot of push and you should have a system that is stable. Anyways thats just me, cause i am always in upgrade mode. I have like 7 computers and constantly upgrading.

Thanks for the info regarding the pcie 2.0 and 2.1.
My mobo supports 2.0. I searched and found that gtx590 is 2.1(but some reviews say it is 2.0). But most comments say there is no performance difference between 2.0 and 2.1 and they are compatible. Or did you run into any problems?

I was thinking that ddr3 or ddr2 ram wont make any big difference in gaming performance. Moreover I already have a 4GB and feel that it is not fully used by the games. That said I am willing to add 2GB more if I'll have better gaming performance.

The reason I'm not willing for any major upgrade is that I bought my current PC 2 yrs back(for $1.5k) and would like to just concentrate on the 3D part now. I'll consider a new high performance PC 3 yrs down the line(while still retaining the 3D monitor if possible).

Of course I'll be forced to upgrade if my processor and RAM will be a bottleneck or if my mobo will have problems with the new graphics cards.

Your mobo will not have enough lanes to support what is basically 4 GTX570's / 4 underclocked GTX580's, unless you have one of those motherboards that have that Nvidia chip that multiplexes your PCIE lanes.

I believe 3 SLI'd 580's beat 2 SLI'ed 590's, simply because theres really only enough bandwidth for 3 cards to work fully and the 590's are clocked lower than the 580's.

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=925437&mpage=1

I don't think the 3GB cards are worth getting over the 1.5GB cards, at least they weren't when I got my 580.

I built my setup to handle 3 3D monitors, but I've put the extra 580 and the 2 other monitors on hold for now (thinking of getting a HMZ-T1 instead).

Yeah I would just put in that new hardware and see what happens, its mostly speculations untill you can see how your computer will do. I'd also email biostar support team and ask them what they believe is the best thing to do. They should give you a hopefully honest answer.

I've had some terrible things happen to me with computers and what I thought should be working does not. Like my computers going voodoo on me for its own perpose. I've managed to get all my computers working from new and old spare parts that would not work normally without a purchase.

@WiredEarp: What do you mean? I have neither the plan nor the finance to even think of sli(double triple etc). I just want a fast single pci-e x16 2.0 slot card( which I think is gtx 590) which could comfortably play all latest and upcoming games(atleast for next yr or two) in 3D at max settings and HD resolution(1920x1080 or 1920x1200). If a single gtx 580 1.5GB(or any lower card) can satisfy my above requirements then I'll be more than happy to get it.

@Dom: Thanks for the tip. I'll mail biostar right away. Anyway I'm in no hurry to buy(as I said before I'll wait for a month to see if there are any large 3D monitor release announcements).

Meanwhile will my amd phenom II x4 3 GHz processor and 800 MHz ddr2 4GB ram be a bottleneck if I get the above 3D setup(I have already raised this question but didn't get any satisfactory answers/explanation)?

Sorry, must have got confused with another post. If you only want a single card, I'd suggest a GTX590. I went with the 580 because you get better performance from 2 580's, but seeing as im not going for triple monitors now, a 590 would have been a better bet performance wise.

A GTX 580 however will run everything current in 3D at pretty damn good speeds. I have absolutely no complaints about its performance. However, the prices here for 590's are only another $250 or so, and that gives you 3 monitor outs, and about 50% faster speeds than the 580's.

Unfortunately, I know nothing about AMD processors. However, if you do have questions regarding hardware, I found pretty good support and info by posting on reddit.com/r/buildapc. Just post a question about your hardware etc and I think you'll get some good responses.

With a new CPU/RAM/MOBO you could get better framerates, sure, but I don't think you need to get a whole new computer. Just replacing the GPU should be enough to breath some life into the machine. 3D is very heavy on the GPU, not so much the CPU or RAM.

ok thanks guys.

Anyway the frames will be limited to 60 by the vsync right? So if I get 60 frames then there is no need to get new cpu and ram right? And I am more than satisfied to get 45 frames. Only if it is less than 40 I feel a difference.

Just keep in mind that 3D normally takes a big hit on framerates (as much as half). So if you look at 2D benchmarks and a card is getting 60fps, you may only like 30 or 40fps in 3D.

As per this GTX 590 review the fps is more than 100 for many games and minimum is 77 in HD resolution(1920x1200). So I guess it'll provide min 40 fps in 3D. If it does not provide then I dont mind much reducing the textures or reflection and stuff.

By the way biostar replied in a single line saying gtx 590 is compatible and will work with my motherboard.

I think I get 45fps + in 3D mode in BF3, most games like Skyrim i'm running @ 60fps in 3D mode, and thats with a 580. I'd expect a 590 to hit 60fps with almost any well written game in stereo.
If you have a 3D/120hz monitor, your VSYNC can be up to 120fps, but you won't get that in 3D mode.

Thanks. So I guess a single 590 will give me satisfactory 3D gaming experience for atleast 2 yrs. Then when I upgrade to a new proc, ram and mobo I'll add another 590 in sli which will serve me for another 2-3 yrs. And by that time glassless(or some motion detection 360 degree) 3D will take shape.
So that is my strategy for the next 5 yrs.

A few of my close friends have raised apprehensions about 3D tech. So I want to clarify certain points.
1. Can you clearly see the difference between 2D and 3D gaming(like when you compare 2D with 3D it should be )? I don't want to end up buying something expensive and not feeling the difference. I know I should have asked this first but I just took it for granted that 3D will be cool and awesome. But it is never late to ask and get clarified.

2. Do you feel comfortable wearing the battery powered heavy glasses? Like do you get headache after an hr or so etc? I have corrective spectacles. Though I am alright wearing 3D glasses over my spectacles in theatres I just want to confirm since these(active glasses) are heavier than the ones in theatres. This will play a major role in my decision.

And I am going to order it based on your comments only since I don't have any access to these to try them out. So I depend entirely on reviews and comments.

And any news on upcoming large 3D monitors?

Hi, sorry if it seems like the same old people talking to you about 3d but I wanted to tell you what I think of it mostly.

Most and all of the 3d in pc games and movies are 2d similar, which from what I see they look like you might as well watch and view it in 2d without 3dglasses. I guess it could depend on if you can converge your eyes good enough but not really and its that the software drivers have been made to reduce eye and brain fatigue but the offset is that the 3d is pretty well boring. I only use my 3d stuff on with glasses maybe once a month sometimes less depending on if theres anything really worthwhile viewing. So I would not get to excited about 3d as it now since you have your worlds doctors making the rules and not putting it better to see holograms stereoscopic glasses 3d.

The powered lcd glasses are ok I guess since I can watch a movie with maybe a 15 minute break. Playing games with them on I usually will stop using them after 45 minutes. It would be different if the 3d was better though. But i'd just take a 15 minute break every 45 minutes. The weight does kinda suck to and I can't wait for autostereoscopic.

Also you can get yourself some red/cyan glasses and play some games with DDD driver or iz3d and see how you like it. Its pretty much the same just with lcd it will be easier on your eyes.

Well thanks for the reply. Its sad to hear that the 3D is not too exiting. By your experience I feel my interest in 3D will fade away after a few weeks of using it.

But the red/cyan glass is something new to me(don't know how I missed it) and I'll certainly try it out. Thanks a lot for bringing it up.
So do you mean this method will work in my current rig(HD 4870 1GB and samsung 22inch LCD 2233sw monitor).
Will these glasses work(http://www.3dglassesreport.com/anaglyph/nvidia-ultimate-3d-glasses/) or should I buy something else?

Yes using DDD or iz3d drivers in anaglyph red/cyan you can use your current setup. I think they are free to use in anaglyph mode. Cybereality usually recommends the anaglyph pro-anna glasses. Those you linked to should work too and I ordered three pairs from china for a total of 5 bucks free shipping and they worked too, from e-bay.

http://www.3dstereo.com/viewmaster/gla-proa.html pro ana
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pairs-Red-Cya ... 1e6364b2e5 similar to what i got

Thanks. Since I live in India the pro-ana glass requires $9-15 for shipping. So can I buy the nvidia glasses that I said in my previous post?
And what games can I try?
I guess all the 3D movies will work with this method right?

Yes you are correct, you can use those glasses you showed. I think you can play pretty much any game in 3d with iz3d or ddd drivers. You won't be able to use the nvidia 3d vision discover mode unless you have an nvidia gfx card, a new one.

Movies will work too you just need to get a stereo movie player like "Sview" which is free or "Stereoscopic player".

Is this glass http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pairs-Red-Cyan-3D-Glasses-Fly-Me-Moon-YJ03-/130516562661?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6364b2e5 that you suggested better than the nvidia glass(in my previous post)?

I don't think either is better. As long as your protective of them i guess and the 3d will show on any pair of red/cyan glasses.

Thanks I'll buy the locally available nvidia then.

Well I was not too impressed with the 3D effects of the red-cyan. So I decided to wait for a yr or two before investing. For now I decided to buy a 32 inch monitor(since I feel my 22 inch is small). After searching I find that even 32inch normal monitors are not available(more than 30 inch monitors). No wonder I couldn't find 32 inch 3D monitors . First of all there are no 32 inch HD monitors. The max is 30 inch. Now I have no other choice but to buy 32 inch HDTV as monitor.

"Most and all of the 3d in pc games and movies are 2d similar, which from what I see they look like you might as well watch and view it in 2d without 3dglasses."

I think he meant, well, i don't know what he meant, but i think he meant that 3D movies don't have much 3D depth to them. ...and thats certainly my experience, but they're getting better.

I think gaming on a big screen is great and i use a 46" Sony from under a meter away.

The drawbacks are input lag on some models, with it being generally higher with current models, limitation to 1280x720 (720p) due to current HDMI limitations and a lack of AA support (at least with Nivida you can't enable AA through the control panel) and low ppi.

The benefit is greater FoV. Also it being at the back edge of the desk frees up desk space. It also might be easier on the eyes since the lenses in your eyes are at rest when focued further out, thus moving it away *might* have solved some blurring problems i've had in the past using a monitor closer up, but it could also be the 3D use? This 3DTV has better blacks, motion resolution, clarity, brightness than my last monitor, the 30" 2560x1600 Dell and i prefer it for gaming as long as its in 3D. It also nice to lay back on the couch or lean back in the chair and maintain a nice physical FoV when watching Neflix or youtube videos.

Thanks for your views. I saw a few scenes of avatar anaglyph 3D and its really good even with red-cyan glasses. I think 3D is also dependent on how the movie/game makers effectively use it. Smurfs anaglyph 3D didn't even look much like 3D but avatar is strikingly different. I'll wait for a yr till full HD(1080p) 3D or 4k 3D gets released. For now I've decided to buy a 32 inch full HD TV as monitor and save the rest for next yrs big 3D purchase.

I calculated some time ago that DVI dual link and HDMI (10Gb/s transfer rate; 7.92 Gb/s real data rate ) could allow to display 330 Mpixels per second @24bit, meaning 5.5Mpxel pictures@60Hz/24bit (3126*1758 or 2966*1854), 2.75Mpx pictures @120Hz/24bit (2097*1311 or 2211*1243).

Only display port allow bigger resolution, with it's double bandwidth (21.6Gb/s transfer rate, 17.28Gb/s real data rate): 720Mpixels/seconds @24bit --> 12Mpx @60Hz24bit --> 4381*2738; 6Mpx@120Hz24bit --> 3098*1936.

Practically only radeons HD7000 allow more than 2500*1600 over display port or HDMI. Official specs are:
http://www.amd.com/fr/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7970/Pages/radeon-7970.aspx#3
4096x2160 @60Hz and 2560x1600p60 Stereoscopic 3D for the display ports;
over HDMI: 4096x2160 (no frequency specified, but should be 30Hz or 24Hz) and 1080p60 Stereoscopic 3D.


Now that the graphic card exist we can have more hope for a very high res S3D screen to be released on the market.

thanks for the info. Lets wait and see