any hope[am so sarcastic!) / news from cinemizer regd the OLED version ?

Expect some news from CES2011, which (I think) is on from 7th-9th of this month. News is coming out from Las Vegas even now.

I would be greatly surprised if Zeiss are not showcasing this interesting HMD.

plz keep us posted if you get any update on cinemizer oled

Nothing came out of CES 2011 unfortunately...

Sony showed their prototype Sony Headman which is a very similar product (720p OLED screens) but no price or date, or even confirmation that it's going to be a real product on shelves.

Vuzix showed 3 new headsets. The Wrap VR1200 (852x480 w/ 6dof tracking), the Raptyr (see-through HMD for AR applications) and a prototype with a 1280x1024 display.

i'd be careful with Vuzix as my experience with their AV920 was preposterous!
bad 3D with flickers all over...

Wow, for over five hundred dollars, you would think the resolution would be higher than 720p. I was hoping for more along the lines of 1080p. I wonder if there are glasses out there at that resolution, and what the difference in price would be?

Currently there are few HMD's on professional market with 1280 x 1024 resolution, with price from 12 000 - 15 000 USD and more. Also a Sensics HMD with very high resolution something like 4000x3000 with price over 30 000 USD.

500 Bucks for 720p glasses is very good price!

If there existed 1080p glasses around this price, everyone here would have bought a pair by now...

I might pay up to $1,000 for a pair of 1080P glasses assuming the FOV was something sweet like 60 degrees or more. I think people get caught up in resolution too much. Its not that important. I use the Wrap 310's regularly and they are only 428 x 240. You would think that would look like crap, but its actually OK. But they are only 26 degrees FOV, that could be a lot better. If they could be hitting 60-90 degrees FOV I wouldn't even care if it was at these low resolutions. It would still be immersive.

Glad you said it cybereality, I always thought I was weird or blind.
I can still plug in an old 640*480 or 800*600 resolution monitor and not give a thought for wanting higher resolution. Only thing I don't like is all the scrolling on web surfing.

What I like about the new Vuzix is the ability to take a high resolution feed even if the HMD is lower resolution like the Vuzixs Vr1200 852*480. I just don't want to be locked out of a game that can't be set to a low resolution. So I don't care about the VR1200 852*480 resolution because it can take a 1280*768 feed and thats all that matters.

So like you, I also think, BIG FOV IS THE KEY.
If we find a way to MOD the Carl Zeiss or Vr1200 for bigger FOV that would be all I would need.

Modding is one option. Though if it were that easy why wouldn't one of those companies just have done that from the start?

Maybe manufactorers of hmd's are limiting the actual fov to make the whole image in the field of vision (besides that poor resolution might be more visible). It sux when gaming and in movies though. Everywhere else too actually....

Its also about the size of the headset as well. Vuzix seems to want to make them look like sunglasses, which is a cool goal (especially if you want to use in public). But that limits what you can do with the optics. There are only a few nutters (like myself) that would actually enjoy something like this:

is that you - cybereality - you look great with that helmet on!
for me it's an immediate turn-on

That image looks insane but i think there's a very tiny person under the helmet. On me it would only be a tiny bump on my head!

LOL!

You could use this picture to sell stuff other than VR products.

Maybe somthing like this:

"You don't have to live like this because of bad breath
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Try trident, for great smelling breath.
Because with a Trident mouth, you'll be blowing a bubble, not living in one"
Ha Ha

just stumbled across this:

Carl Zeiss Cinemizer OLED 720p 3D Glasses
Wednesday, March 2nd, 2011 at 1:39 pm  
Carl Zeiss’ new 2011 Cinemizer 3D-capable video eyeglasses are a must have BIG 55 inch OLED TV 3D in your pocket ! 2 x 1280×720 pixels OLED Hight-Definition Widescreen 16:9 for REAL MOVIES EJOYMENT 3D Bluray compatible with HDMI 1.4 input in the Glasses Headtracking for games ! Compatible with iphone , ipod , ipad , computer , dvd , bluray 3D Autonomy of the battery 4 hours Price 515$ US summer 2011

http://3dcapabletv.net/?p=549

If they put in 2 X 1280x720 it is a whole different story than the
vuzix WRAP VR1200 with "display resolution support of up to 1280 x 768" but if you dig deeper you find "Twin high-resolution 852 x 480 LCD displays".

We still can't be sure it's true or not.

do not worry - they will never come out for consumer market...a tag of US$10-30k - i will skip...

I am pretty confident that the Cinemizer glasses are indeed coming out (in the next 6 months) and will be priced at around $500. What I am not sure about is if they are really 720P. They might be the same FWVGA resolution as the Vuzix. We just don't know.

chk this out - Tac-Eye Binocular [ http://www.vuzix.com/tactical/taceye_pr ... cular.html ]

vuzix has the technology but not for masses....they can blast out z800 emagin anytime...but just not prepared yet to bring this to masses...i wonder where they get the displays from?

From VFX-1 times they partner with Kopin.

Well Vuzix doesn't want to release the best stuff they have on the consumer market because they will go out of business. I think they actually make all their money from those military contracts. Their consumer division is far in the red.

Same story with microvision laser really.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/10/pion ... ay-next-g/

In HMD sector, CRT's are out of business for a long time. Virtual Research FS5 used 640x480 CRT's in 1995, but was quickly changed by LCD models - VR4 and V6.
Besides, color reproduction of the micro-CRT's used in HMD's was made by mechanical color-circle, which leads to blurriness, so 320x240 LCD had better crispness than 640x480 CRT.

most of the ebay glasses use kopin modules - they are so cheap and below avg quality...
how can they be used in tac-eye...
vuzix do not wanna say bye-bye to those military contracts using these modules...

what LCDs does headplay use ?- and what technology. ?
..if anybody dissected the headplay and took screenshots of the 'thing ' inside...
i am so curious ....to know...what goes inside the headplay...pretty sure lcd is NOT kopin module...whatever it is ...

Kopin makes wide variety of LCD's, with different specifications.
You can check specifications on Vuzix military HMD's, they have good parameters of contrast and brightness, etc.

It's like with Samsung monitors - you can buy cheap monitor with poor panel, and you can buy a very good one for higher price.

Kopin makes a bunch of different modules. It just that the VR920 and the knock-offs use the cheapest one. You can see the full list here:
http://www.kopin.com/commercial-display-products/

Vuzix has used the highest resolution one, at 1280x1024, but only for a prototype HMD shown at CES. It is likely not cheap enough to use for a consumer headset. But the technology is there and available (for a price). The military has budgets too, and I doubt they can afford to spend $30,000 for one headset, especially for something to be used in the field. For research/simulation purposes then I could see them having a handful of the really expensive high-end HMDs. But for general field-use they would probably want something cheaper, portable, and disposable, which is what it seems Vuzix provides.

ok - that means that HMDs with SXGA resol.. the modules are sourced from kopin...surprising ...
vuzix had the option of providing the SVGA resol..on wrap 1200 but missed the bus..

They could have done that, but they knew the cost would put consumers off. IIRC, the modules Vuxiz uses for the military cost between $1200 and $3000, for a single eye, and those are lower than normal because they sell in large orders.

For Vuzix to go SVGA would have made a product that was priced out of reach, if they used Kopin microdisplays.

Personally I would rather have the lower resolution, but the widescreen aspect ratio. 4:3 is dead.

I do have a brain of my own but I seem to be going with cybereality once again.

16:9 for the win.

The Vuzix VR1200 is looking very good to me.
I hope it will be an early spring release...

yes - wrap 1200 looks nice -better than VGA also support for anaglyph 3d and great FOV(35) with IPD and focal adjut.. looks like a winner..too bad not supporting the field seq 3D [shutter mode]...

ah! no word yet regd the cinemizer OLED - i doubt if they ever come out.....

Haven't seen much Cinemizer info, but found this clip (1 month old) that has a look at the prototype (5 mins in)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIn0rAT_-vw

The guy quotes HD resolution, 16x9 format, and VGA inputs.

Thanks for that! Who knows if he is correct, but I hope so. He does not even remember the right word for binaural audio, even though it is something his company is doing.

What is promising is that they are distributing their prototype to interested parties

I thought it used HDMI 1.4a, Why does he say VGA?

I hope one of these comes out soon (Cinemizer or Vuzix 1200).
I also don't want to be left in a state of waiting, because one of them gets released but you don't want to buy until you get a look at the one that has not been released...

Think I will buy which ever is the first to market.