RifTUP! FullHD Oculus DK1 upgrade kit

Post by **shinseiryu** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:08 pm

Its up!
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/riftup/x/6888342

Post by **Kernel32** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:08 pm

Indiegogo campaign is now ONLINE.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/riftup

Get your early birds. Video converting, coming soon.

Post by **Bloump** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:14 pm

Damn! i stayed awake for nothing.. i miss 50 bucks on my paypal account....

i'll take the 259 tomorrow, but you have limited numbers? how many? hope to still find it tomorrow

Post by **Inscothen** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:30 pm

Have you guys mentioned the upgrade kit anywhere besides MTBS3D?

We need a new thread here definitely with all info but this forum section seems to have a less active base so the OVR dev forum and reddit should get info too I think. The DK2 makes this less attractive but hopefully there are a good number that would be interested.

Post by **Ryuuken24** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:33 pm

Yeah! You guys need advertising power. I bet people are willing to get the VR kit for their own headsets. Now I can finally stop F5'ing, Phew. Now I just have to wait a month or so, it's Christmas all over.

Post by **Kernel32** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:40 pm

Thank you guys for your great support. 6 units sold already with no advertising at all. That's great!

We are able to produce as much RiftUP!s as needed.

I expect a lot attention the moment we get a Road to VR article, possbily followed by other tech/VR websites.

Post by **OzOnE2k10** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:42 pm

Just "pledged" for a RiftUP kit.

(is it still called a pledge? I'm new to the Indiegogo thingy.)

Blimey - if you want an early kit guys, I'd get in there quickly if I were you. lol
Just checked the Funders tab, and more pledges are being made every 20 minutes or so.

I think the campaign is looking rather good already, Daniel / Kernel32.

I'm still considering cancelling my DK2 order.
It's mainly a money issue atm though, so I guess it will be months before Foculus take the balance for the DK2.

As Leahy said, I'm sure the RiftUP will give me more than enough of a VR fix until the CV1 arrives.

Damn, I don't know. I guess I'll have to buy both.

OzOnE.
P.S. I didn't know about the PenTile panel thing until Daniel mentioned it - you'd think that Foculus would have made that clearer in the DK2 specs?
Simply saying "1080p" is a bit of a marketing ploy really isn't it.

Post by **davidmi58** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:54 pm

In for one!
Been lurking in here for a long time. Looking forward to the RiftUP. It looks like it will be a great improvement.
Great job guys.

Post by **woodsmoke** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:54 pm

So that's what rozsyno looks like. He's some sort of Cheko Robin Hood.

Post by **Hewster** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:02 pm

Been watching this thread from the beginning, have just grabbed an early bird

Any idea on shipping costs ?

You guys have done a great job it seems, really looking forward to UPing my DK1 !

I have 2 DK1's... I want to wait until I've UPed one before grabbing a second kit, how
long will you guys continue to make the kit after the campaign ??
(Would hate to miss out if the kit is as good as it looks)

Cheers,

Hewster

Post by **woodsmoke** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:05 pm

I'd like to back the stand alone display kit but I need more details about the LCD. Does it have to be the 5.9 inch discussed here, or could other, smaller displays be connected to the stand alone board?

Post by **woodsmoke** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:06 pm

Hewster wrote:Any idea on shipping costs ?

It says Int shipping included.

Post by **cgp44** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:07 pm

ozOne get stuck into oculusvr.com forums.

Yes I was wondering about shipping costs too.

Only 6 early birds left.

Post by **Kernel32** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:08 pm

woodsmoke wrote:
Hewster wrote:Any idea on shipping costs ?
It says Int shipping included.

Originally, it didn't. Thank you for the heads up.

woodsmoke wrote:I'd like to back the stand alone display kit but I need more details about the LCD. Does it have to be the 5.9 inch discussed here, or could other, smaller displays be connected to the stand alone board?

It is indeed the 5.9" display discussed in this thread. The board can only handle this specific model.

Post by **Hewster** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:09 pm

woodsmoke wrote:
Hewster wrote:Any idea on shipping costs ?

It says Int shipping included.

Not on the early bird it doesn't :/

Post by **OzOnE2k10** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:09 pm

@cgp44 - what's happening on the Oc forums?

If all hell is breaking loose, I'd better get some popcorn ready.

Oh, @Kernel32 - roughly how much is shipping on the early bird kit to the UK?

Post by **Kernel32** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:13 pm

OzOnE2k10 wrote:@cgp44 - what's happening on the Oc forums?

If all hell is breaking loose, I'd better get some popcorn ready.

Oh, @Kernel32 - roughly how much is shipping on the early bird kit to the UK?

It's free of charge for you.

(It is actually free of charge for all, but we can't edit already activated perk.

)

Post by **woodsmoke** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:16 pm

Kernel32 wrote:
woodsmoke wrote:I'd like to back the stand alone display kit but I need more details about the LCD. Does it have to be the 5.9 inch discussed here, or could other, smaller displays be connected to the stand alone board?
It is indeed the 5.9" display discussed in this thread.

Again, if I back the stand alone board, does it only work with the 5.9 display? Or are these FHD mipi phone displays discussed already interchangable?

Post by **OzOnE2k10** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:20 pm

@woodsmoke - I don't know the exact answer, so I'll let Mr Kernel answer about the screens, but I'm just wondering - are you looking to try different panels with the RiftUP kit?

OzOnE.

Post by **cgp44** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:36 pm

about 12 pages of thread spamming so far on oculusvr.com

I wonder how many have truely tossed their toys and abandoned the cause.
Zuckerbaby is now the IOI evil master.

Post by **OzOnE2k10** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:55 pm

I'm getting over the Facebook thing now, and I have to admit.... I'm a tiny bit jealous. :p

I just read part of the Time magazine article on Oc / Palmer / Carmack, and it's making me really sad that I didn't just send my CV to Oc in the early days.

I'd even take a very minimal salary just to be a part of the VR revolution and to work with those guys. I could make the Tea / Coffee for a while maybe?

(I'm waiting for people to think I'm "sucking up" just for the sake of it, but who cares. lol)

Anywho - woodsmoke, I see you've just bought an Early Bird kit.

Post by **OzOnE2k10** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:56 pm

btw, I may have given a small hint about the Indiegogo campaign on the OVR forum. I hope that's OK?

https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/v ... 47#p102247

OzOnE.

Post by **OzOnE2k10** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:00 pm

Holy moly!

That's three or four more RiftUp kits ordered in the past hour.

@Kernel32 / rozsnyó - do the kits come with one of those plastic opening tools for the Rift?
It may help lessen the risk on breaking the plastic tabs on the Rift housing.

Post by **woodsmoke** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:12 pm

OzOnE2k10 wrote:I'm just wondering - are you looking to try different panels with the RiftUP kit?OzOnE.

To try out smaller panels with the stand alone board aye. I suppose trials could be done with the RiftUP kit too. I have an idea for an HMD that I'd like to prototype. If it works everyone will look back at these ski masks and laugh. I have everything I need except the PCB design and layout skills. Cue rozsyno's prefunder...

Post by **OzOnE2k10** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:33 pm

@woodsmoke - are you in the UK by any chance? (it was the "aye" that did it.

)

As I understand it, Daniel's MIPI "dev" platform had a separate breakout board for different panel types.

I'm pretty sure the RiftUP kits are set-up for only the 5.9" display though, so you'd need another custom breakout board to try a different panel.

I'm intrigued by your new HMD idea.
I can't imagine how to streamline the Rift much unless the panels are built into a pair of glasses?

Post by **OzOnE2k10** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:35 pm

All the Early Bird kits have just been sold / pledged now - well done, guys!

Post by **leftbehind126** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:45 pm

Damnit. It started earlier than posted. I missed out on the early bird kit.

Post by **lnrrgb** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:48 pm

Got mine. Thx

Post by **OzOnE2k10** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:50 pm

That's a point - do the Early Bird kits definitely include international shipping?

If not, then the $259 kits aren't really much difference in price.

@leftbehind126 - I think you might be right. It seemed to start at 11pm GMT?

Post by **Inscothen** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:52 pm

Kernel32 wrote:
OzOnE2k10 wrote:Oh, @Kernel32 - roughly how much is shipping on the early bird kit to the UK?
It's free of charge for you.

(It is actually free of charge for all, but we can't edit already activated perk. )

Post by **OzOnE2k10** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:55 pm

Inscothen wrote:
Kernel32 wrote:
OzOnE2k10 wrote:Oh, @Kernel32 - roughly how much is shipping on the early bird kit to the UK?
It's free of charge for you.

(It is actually free of charge for all, but we can't edit already activated perk. )

Oh yeah, sorry.

It's late, and I'm ill and tired. :p

I think I might go to sleep now. lol

OzOnE.

Post by **Kernel32** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:29 pm

More Robin Hood

and our short version of pitch video now at https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/riftup

Birds are gone, 30% into production goal. Things are going great. Thank you!

woodsmoke wrote:...
Again, if I back the stand alone board, does it only work with the 5.9 display? Or are these FHD mipi phone displays discussed already interchangable?

I'm sorry to disappoint you. The board is specifically engineered for the 5.9 LCD display model included. It is the best solution for single screen setup available. Hope I got the answer right the second time around woodsmoke.

OzOnE2k10 wrote:btw, I may have given a small hint about the Indiegogo campaign on the OVR forum. I hope that's OK?
https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/v ... 47#p102247
OzOnE.

Advertising is needed. Spread the signal

OzOnE2k10 wrote:Holy moly!
That's three or four more RiftUp kits ordered in the past hour.
@Kernel32 / rozsnyó - do the kits come with one of those plastic opening tools for the Rift?
It may help lessen the risk on breaking the plastic tabs on the Rift housing.

We don't plan to add tools for opening the Rift, but there will be instructions on how to easily and safely do it. It is all about the technique and we've got a lot of practice and some tips to share.

OzOnE2k10 wrote:That's a point - do the Early Bird kits definitely include international shipping?
If not, then the $259 kits aren't really much difference in price.
@leftbehind126 - I think you might be right. It seemed to start at 11pm GMT?

The target was 0:59 AM GMT+1 (Prague), what should have been 23:59 PM GMT+0 (London). I think we were actually a few minutes late

Shipping included in all perks.

Good night OzOnE

Post by **OzOnE2k10** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:36 pm

g'night, Kernel32.

Thanks for the updates.

OzOnE.

Post by **ido** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:51 pm

Ordered one to put in my spare DK1.

Looks pretty nice.

How does the smaller screen size work with the current lenses in the DK1?

Are you guys planning on shipping these fairly quickly as well? This will be great to play around with until my DK2 arrives.

Looking forward to it!

Post by **Mattijs** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:53 am

What is the max refresh you can get out of this?
I assume this is 100 percent persistent?

Post by **Attreyu** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:21 am

I'll grab one as well, next week.

Post by **baggyg** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:22 am

Hi is this shipped 3 - 4 weeks after you order, or 3 - 4 weeks from the end of the campaign (30 days + 3 - 4 weeks)?

Are these coming from Prague? I live right next door in Slovakia. Is shipping still the same price as it would be to America?

EDIT: Bought one anyway. Daniel - I contribute to the Vireio Perception project. Will we need a custom distortion for this? If so can you send me the details and I can get it added for when people start to receive their RiftUps

Post by **leftbehind126** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:53 am

No big deal on the time issue. I don't mind forking out a little extra for what you guys have done.

baggyg brought up delivery- I guess I'd ask for some clarification on it as well. Are you guys shipping them as they're bought? Because that'd be killer if the estimated delivery was really end-April.

Post by **OzOnE2k10** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:39 am

@ido - don't quote me on this, but if you read back a few pages, it sounds like they have sorted a lot of the software stuff so the warping factors and "colour fringe" distortion will be properly corrected for the new display.

(I can't find the post atm, but Daniel did mention that he'd sorted a lot of the software stuff to give the best possible Rift experience with the new 1080p panel.)

EDIT: Oh, it was Mr Kernel32 who answered a lot of the questions regarding the matching of the new panel to the software...
http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.p ... 40#p148966

So, it looks like the warping factor is now in line with the "Crystal Cove" type display, since they are a similar size.
There could be a few tweaks to be made to the colour fringe correction (chromatic aberration correction), but it sounds like it's very good already.

(I won't go into this too much, but for those who don't already know, chromatic aberration is slight fringes of colour you often see around the edges of a lens. This is caused by the different refractive index of light at different wavelengths, hence you often see a slight "splitting" of the Red and Blue light compared to the Green light)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration

The Rift SDK has graphics GPU filters (HLSL?) which corrects for this.
Obviously with smaller-than-stock panel, the warp and chromatic correction factors will be slightly different, but AFAIK, the RiftUP panel will be using an existing "HD" / "Crystal Cove" type SDK template.

@Mattijs - again, we may have to await confirmation on this, but I'm pretty sure it's a 60Hz panel.
The motion blur is apparently far less than on the stock 800p DK1 panel though.

Daniel did mention a while back that he might be leaving provision for backlight strobing on the new panel.
I don't know if this made it into the final version, but it would likely require a fair bit of testing before you see any huge improvements.

From what Daniel and Kernel32 have said, the 5.9" panel looks VERY nice as-is, and is World's apart from the stock panel.

I would imagine it just makes it a hell of a lot more comfortable to view things in VR.
It should also allow easier reading of much finer text, and a "further" viewing distance of fine details.

OzOnE.

Post by **woodsmoke** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:50 pm

Kernel32 wrote:
woodsmoke wrote:Again, if I back the stand alone board, does it only work with the 5.9 display? Or are these FHD mipi phone displays discussed already interchangable?
I'm sorry to disappoint you. The board is specifically engineered for the 5.9 LCD display model included. It is the best solution for single screen setup available. Hope I got the answer right the second time around woodsmoke.

Thanks Kernel32. The question was really checking you guys have enough time and attention to respond to backers. I can make a 6" panel work. When I show you the prototype I reckon rozsyno will want to make another board for a slightly different (smaller) mipi phone panel. we'll see.

OzOnE2k10 wrote:As I understand it, Daniel's MIPI "dev" platform had a separate breakout board for different panel types.

Is that right.. So would that mean the Stand-Alone-Board kit is either one PCB, with HMDI in and USB hub on the same board as the display controller. Or two boards, the second being a dedicated display controller. And this second board can be swapped with other mipi display controllers as and when rozsyno releases them? That would be ideal. Perhaps someone can confirm?

OzOnE2k10 wrote:Are you in the UK by any chance?

Aye. A Scot in London, where abouts are you then? You'll have to review my prototype for me.