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Hi to all, I only saw today the AntVR and even saw it made it on Kickstarter!
I also saw some of the negativism and I agree with most of it, especially on the positional tracking, which is simply impossible with the accelerometers. Come on, the guy is into robotics and does not know this http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=_q_8d0E3tDk ??? If you play for 5 minutes with the wii and glovepie you will know this too... My esperience with Chinese IMU guns is also bad, referring to the MAG II (I think it's originally Chinese, I hope I did not get a Chinese Copy...)
Now, this is not meant to rant about Ant VR, but to say that it has some nice and neat ideas like IMU gun, positional tracking and an attept of a workaround for standard non-modded FPSs. BTW, here is a concept of playing standard FPSs that should be closest to workable http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=yout ... I0b0ZYKDUw
I just think the ideas that were in this project were not bad and with some tweaking they can be implemented the right way and can still be workable. I will not comment on the quality of the VR headset, since I don't have enough experience with these, but I guess they can still do a half-ass job cheaply enough to enable you to play in short 10 min bursts and be on par with DK1 and not give you motion sickness.
The gun will need a good IMU with good fusion implementation, but that's within the reach of Chinese developers too.
The positional tracking can be done easily like in freetrack, you only need to put a wiimote camera on a ceiling with correct height and put the 3-point IR marker on your head facing upwards instead of forward and swap the rotation axes. That can couple as correction for your HMD IMU.
And lastly, the compatibility in terms of motion controls. It cannot be ideal, but for PC games the second video that I linked should be a viable second-best implementation. For Playstation titles, I have tested the MAG II with PS3 and it does emulate correctly a PS3 dual shock, so this is definitely doable, but you simply need a good IMU and the one in MAG II is not one of these. Also, a VR setup should be easier on the yaw sensitivity requirements than an in-front-of-TV scenario, since your yaw movements in VR are much more pronounced and even a small yaw drift blocked with a threshold pass filter should give good results. The hold-button-to-aim approach should also ameliorate the perception of drift.
Of course, in terms of 3d effect, you are also limited by the games that can output SBS 3d natively or with third party software. For the rest of the PC games you will have to contend with 2d, which is not ideal, but is not bad if you have all the motion tracking working.
So the question is, is AntVR dead, or is it being optimised with the things that I mentioned, or has someone else picked up from where AntVR left?
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/80 ... ts/1071709

As you can see....They are about to ship ;)
Means soon we can see review from ......................Some legitimate buyer/Reddit/Forum/ Highest Unlikely Here :!:

True their claims are big, product at-least about to be out to make things clear. If it meet half of what has been claimed it could be good Sidekick.(Did you ever heard 'HalfRift' :P )
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Dilip wrote:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/80 ... ts/1071709

As you can see....They are about to ship ;)
Means soon we can see review from ......................Some legitimate buyer/Reddit/Forum/ Highest Unlikely Here :!:

True their claims are big, product at-least about to be out to make things clear. If it meet half of what has been claimed it could be good Sidekick.(Did you ever heard 'HalfRift' :P )
With positional tracking using accelerometers??? What do they use? NASA-grade sensors? Highly unlikely... Anyway, will be interested to see the outcome. I hope their implementation in calibration, etc. will be better than the MAG II, the calibration knob of which does, welll ... nothing.
If I am right about the positional tracking, we call it Half-@ss-DRift :)))
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Half-@ss-DRift :lol:

I think they will have less FoV (75/80) the only way to avoid distortion as at higher FoV Aspheric too cant be distortion free.
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No news beyond Christmas and closed posts only to Kickstarter backers, but seems they are at CES, hopefully someone can share hands-on experience
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Pest............... control..................... is here :lol:
http://osvr.com/
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Yeah, I saw that, I guess the Chinese will come with a thousand OSVRs for EUR 99 on AliBaba :)
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I think some are about to get a wakeup call on what china is going to do to the world, or asia in general. Lanman at oculus may have lightfield patents, david smith at wearality may have convex lens pantents, but in a culture where patents are not enforced, and consumers who want the cheapest price, what happens? This is big talk at many companies, how to not DIE from theft and clones, talk at government nation state levels too, how to NOT die from all these new alvin toffler futureshock and presentshock scenarios, I already have analysis paralysis with my daily life choices, and the levels of complexity are only increasing. Normal humans do not have the minds to efficiently navigate this stuff. Gonna need geekmaster nootropics and other tech, human 2.0. Mistakes will be made, planet wide, on which choices were best for us all, but we went down wrong paths cause we didn't have the time to do things right. So some will say this needs solving, and I am just the guy to do it, and they put thier AI super computer to use to solve it trying to help humanity and it blows up in our face, LOL! I watched too many 80's scifi movies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh6pSrbSQ5Y muse take a bow - black holes and revelations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfKJVENJ2w4
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konstantin_lozev wrote:I guess the Chinese will come with a thousand OSVRs for EUR 99 on AliBaba :)
Or the single unit at $199 all the same OSVR with WQHD Screen....Now they can have all diagrams + Optics ideas (Ne1 can dwnld schematics and info) and will have plenty of plants producing displays...Razor got to worry ;)
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martinlandau wrote:I think some are about to get a wakeup call on what china is going to do to the world, or asia in general.
Sure Thing china is Not Representing Asia in general...Its Distinctive in any and many ways. Many nations of asia are good as yours (mostly with few exceptions that are in universe every where).

martinlandau wrote: Lanman at oculus may have lightfield patents, david smith at wearality may have convex lens pantents, but in a culture where patents are not enforced, and consumers who want the cheapest price, what happens? This is big talk at many companies, how to not DIE from theft and clones, talk at government nation state levels too, how to NOT die from all these new alvin toffler futureshock and presentshock scenarios, I already have analysis paralysis with my daily life choices, and the levels of complexity are only increasing. Normal humans do not have the minds to efficiently navigate this stuff.
How many things in a day you deal with which bear emblem in small text "MADE IN CHINA". Why because they make it affordable or within reach may be at minor quality compromise but its like you can buy it against you can't even dream of it. If people say they are low quality why can't they try to reach even that quality with that price...because they can't it happens.


when many company in US make this

Charging $22 &26 what provide is piece of card-paper http://www.dodocase.com/products/google ... le-toolkit

Here comes $18 Stuff
http://www.amazon.com/Colorcross-Virtua ... =cardboard
http://www.amazon.com/KKmoon-Portable-U ... =cardboard

Spending $29 can get you something respectable like
http://www.amazon.com/Cardboard-Univers ... =cardboard

ALL SELLERS ARE USA....

Tell me how made in USA Stuff can stand against it...Problem is not in customer's mind its in producers mindset to earn more profit of less units rather than average profit out of many units (not talking about loss or selling at par cost as businesses can't exist that way). So is happening here too. We have many brands which just import from red dragon and rename stuff and sell it.

When our nations start building good quality stuff at competitive pricing you don't really need to say "Don't buy this" People wont buy it them self.
martinlandau wrote: Gonna need geekmaster nootropics and other tech, human 2.0. Mistakes will be made, planet wide, on which choices were best for us all, but we went down wrong paths cause we didn't have the time to do things right. So some will say this needs solving, and I am just the guy to do it, and they put thier AI super computer to use to solve it trying to help humanity and it blows up in our face, LOL! I watched too many 80's scifi movies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh6pSrbSQ5Y muse take a bow - black holes and revelations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfKJVENJ2w4
That's hack of an idea. I posted in past, it all needs is just single spark to ignite WILDFIRE
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What a disappointment, noworking IMU in the gun, not even an attempt at positional tracking
http://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments ... he/cnhp819
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Chen Dilip, this is eugene chen, I am good friends with his grandson, jay chen, high up in chinese politics because of his grandpa legacy (and very wealthy hedge fund guy type but former electronics engineer), we used to do many stock trades with Mr. Pink - Dan Loeb over at siliconinvestor. Jay tells me many inside info, during all the chaos in china in those years in the 20s, eugune was ACTING EMPORER of china for a day or 2 for his side of the government while communists and other fought over chinese destiny, real emporer was on the run or hiding or something, and Jay would laugh and say SEE, EMPORER of CHINA could not speak any mandarin! LOL! ONLY ENGLISH! Eugene chen never learned chinese! Isnt that fuggin hilarious, the 1 day leader of china in the 20's only spoke ENGLISH! BWAHAHAH! Oh jay he is such a character. Anyways president woodrow wilson was trying to get some american military action going in china with some marines that raped a chinese woman, war is good for business eh? But Eugene Chen was such a kool kat he got it all tidied up with no escalation, a REAL PROPOGANDA MASTER! Chen's diplomacy led one historian to call him "arguably China's most important diplomat of the 1920s and instrumental in the rights recovery movement." [8]

So jay tells me in china, the middle class and higher DO NOT BUY CHINESE goods on certain things, because yes indeed, just a slighter lower quality is not worth it to them, they are sold on WESTERN BRANDS (this was back in the 90's, haven't discussed the topic with jay recently) jay and I and dan loeb (as mr. pink, some of us knew, some didnt) had many philsophical discussions on the rise of the asian tiger, future economies, manufacturing centers, etc etc Jays peeps had big oil interests back at trinidad/tobago that family leveraged over the years to live the high life, jay said he wish he could have the OIL back! Also jay made many people rich convincing them to buy gold and gold etfs right at the turn of the recent 2000 low or so, he even helped us make fortune on Bre-x scandal going short! Anyways I think the consensus was no way lazy west gonna compete with half starving 2 billion asians who dont care about pollution killing thier kids and such or dont have a choice! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHhxr-c6KeQ China taking over real estate in detroit, literally blowing up our mountains to take coal, have got special powers going at the FED to get chinese yuan denomited banks established in US borders, getting free trade zones, building cars, building aircraft carriers to protect oil shipping lanes, going to maybe get to mars first? Who knows, jay said definitely make sure to diversify, as we go to kaku type 1 civilization, but populous outrage worldwide hard to get a handle on and make predictions about. Ayways I got bored of making all that money with jay and dan and said guys, give up this game of capital allocation, boring, lets use our big brains to go do REAL stuff on the planet and I wound up here! LOL!

I think 100 million chinese clones, even of piece of garbage with no positional tracking will set momentum that NO ONE else can catch - mythical man month, and anyone here fanboing for ANY western solution maybe does not have a good grasp of global politics, economy, war, etc etc, not that I do either, but I talk to lots of big shots that THINK they do, and geekmaster tell me you can MANIFEST whatever reality you want if you believe it PIGHEADED stubborn enough! And these billionaires can be VERY PIGHEADED indeed! LOL!

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/ ... eserve.png Jay always send this chart, about life cycle of world reserve currencies, seems to be a pattern eh? I got a girlfriend at foxconn and going to visit her soon for china conference on gaming and entertainment. China Guangzhou International Game & Amusement Exhibition 2015(CIAE 2015). CIAE 2015 is to be held from March 28th -30th, 2015, at Guangzhou Pazhou International Sourcing Center this time.

You can have the BEST VR device on the planet, but if 2 billion humans in asia set economic trends that carry most of the momentum, game over. My worry is not so much what hardware wins or what ecosystem, but the best online debates or VR hangouts will be in chinese mandarin places and I dont speak it currently and jaron lanier says the translate poop going on now is pathetic. LOL!
The futures so bright, I gotta wear shades!
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konstantin_lozev wrote:Yeah, I saw that, I guess the Chinese will come with a thousand OSVRs for EUR 99 on AliBaba :)
Isn't that the whole point of it being open source ;)
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metronome wrote:
konstantin_lozev wrote:Yeah, I saw that, I guess the Chinese will come with a thousand OSVRs for EUR 99 on AliBaba :)
Isn't that the whole point of it being open source ;)
Sure, I have nothing against that.
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