bobv5 - seems you are hinting at Sony HMZ....a great product marred by the ergonomics only...

regd. SMD st1080 : it seems they will remain in stealth mode forever occasionally exhibiting their magnum opus and going back into stealth mode...

am also waiting for cinemizer OLED let's see who 's able to 'permanently' come out of 'stealth mode' to deliver an actual classy product for the masses...

Can they be modded to look like Geordi La Forge's visor?

Then it might not be ergonomic . Due to the VISOR prop, LeVar Burton, in addition to having trouble seeing, had splitting headaches throughout his acting career on the TNG set.

Sort of looks like prototype vaporware at this point.

They are still after ces not taking orders, just preorders. No actual units to use anywhere.

We will see if they actually are here in a few months, or are just still showing what could be, rather than what is.

They just wrote on their blog today that there's an announcement coming Feb. 22nd.
http://www.siliconmicrodisplay.com/blog.html

one of the users received the newsletter which he updated on the facebook....Good news though
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We are pleased to announce that SiliconMicroDisplay (SMD) will begin taking pre-orders for the ST1080 on March 1st. We will starting shipping to USA customers in early May.

We are also pleased to offer a reduced price of $699 fo...r a limited time - March 1st through March 21st. After that period, we will return to the full price of $799.
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And the more interesting part for me (I am from germany):

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We are concurrently working on the pricing and availability details for other countries, and we'll make that information available as soon as we get them over the next few weeks.
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"please Lord, just one thunderbolt."

They start pre-orders March 1st

i received this in my mail today.....
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Dear Email Subscriber,

We are pleased to announce that SiliconMicroDisplay (SMD) will begin taking pre-orders for the ST1080 on March 1st. We will starting shipping to USA customers in early May.

We are also pleased to offer a reduced price of $699 for a limited time - March 1st through March 21st. After that period, we will return to the full price of $799.

We are concurrently working on the pricing and availability details for other countries, and we'll make that information available as soon as we get them over the next few weeks.

The ST1080 is the world's first consumer head mounted display to offer Full HD 1080p (2M pixels) picture quality, see-through technology, and mobility features. The ST1080 is perfect for watching Blu-ray movies and playing console games while staying in touch with your surroundings.

The pre-order information will go live on our website tomorrow, February 22nd.


Sincerely,

Paul Jin
CEO, SiliconMicroDisplay

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if st1080 works great better than any HMD known to mankind.....then Sony will have tough time ahead to sell their 'Dorky' crap unless they re-invent HMZ on the lines on st1080......Sony are u listening..?

Ah, now I know why ancjob is such a pain the ass, he's just pissed they lost the war.... hahahaahahahaha

Please orrect me if I am wrong - however does this unit only display frame packed material (i.e. 3d Bluray). I thought I read that it will not display side by side material, however I beleive this was in a forum comment.

CyberVillain - if i were to be doing with words then you will start to cry so let's put this "mudslinging" aside and be constructive....i can play with words better than you do !

why feel frustrated - lemme tell u - the difference is that u guys buy and think later whereas i do the opposite being a wise-man .....which explains ur frustration of being treated as a 'guinea pig' or lab-rats...by the mighty Sony and i am there to tease , hahahahahahahah !

my instincts tell me - the real winner will be st1080 and those who have sony will be selling the 'dorky crap' [after applying all the mods they can think from their heads down to their ar**] for a pittance and guess what there will be no takers to take the bait. and to add insult to injury - sony 'd come up with a better design and say "you were the guinea pigs so deserved to be treated that way just like lab-rats , now buy the version 2 "

so with mods applied - warranty lost , product value depreciated and still more investment to upgrade to version 2 - and Sony laughing , teasing and telling u to upgrade to version 2 - who's frustated i think nuff said....if u have a brain you know.... !

like i said i'd pay usd100 more than be a 'guinea-pig' just to be on the safe side........regd st1080 as well

Valid points (For once coming from you), BUT.... They are only valid to standard consumer products were you have a huge number of products to select from... This market are limited to one (Or maybe two now when the st1080 is around the corner) product

About you being the wiser man, your earlier posts have proven you to be a pretty stupid person not capable of forming constructive arguments, it will take you a long time to change that trust on this forum..

well you know who's stupid and who's not - lets not get into that!

buying and thinking after that for mods and crap like that , what they were doing before buying - doing adult 'fun' stuff in the toilet using their dicks to click the 'buy' button....and now scouring the net looking for making the wrongs right......guys like that simply amaze me !

f**k the trust i do not like taking advise from dorks.....who have got a lot of money and a thought process in their ar**s.

like i said i research a lot before putting my money just like a wise businessman who invests after a lot of research.....

Sony was jumpy in coming up with HMZ - they 'd have gone about just like cinemizer / SMD did - listening to people what they want , market research , pre-launch trials and evaluations from third party pros addressing issues which plagued the HMD since time immorial........e.g low exit pupil, cheap ergonomics , low-res panels , wall outlet to power control units , obsolete 3D input , narrow connectivity options etc.....

i have high hopes with both cinemizer and SMD and still being cautious - do not wanna be a guinea-pig either .....

I stopped reading that after two sentences, you make no sense, either you're dyslexics or just plain stupid, i dont care, but my eyes bleed when I read your compositions, and I'm not even a native English speaker... The pep's from the GB and US must think you are a even bigger retard than me...

edit: and I've seen you repeat the dork word several times on this forum, I'm a hardware junkie yes, I love to buy cool stuff.. You can ask my girlfriend who is a blond Swedish model if im a dork, f**k face!

ancjob, as far as I am aware everyone on this section of the forum fits your deffinition of "dork".

I have to ask, do you consider yourself to be a dork?

If you do not, why to you wish to converse with a group of people you class as dorks?

If we do a poll who is the stupid guy here, I could bet one name will come up top. I expect even ST1080 will get some mindless rant... Let's wait and see.

Hmm... now I am wondering if I should get this instead of the HMZ. Lets not get too side-tracked here with this flame. SMD did just announce they are taking orders starting next week for $699. A 1080P HMD. For $699. Next week. Please people, do not lose focus.

I could just be reckless and buy it, but I know I *should* save the money. Hmmm.. decisions, decisions.

Hi everyb'dy
just got in - fabulous site...just one word - wow!

st1080 - do these come with 'return policy'
what if they are not that good....there 'd be the option to return....
i guess i need to wait at least 3-4 yr to buy with the 'return' policy....
usd699 - lot of money for video glasses - i'd paid usd325 for my evg920e and they do work ok but not great...

Why is he allowed to abuse the TOS?

Why wouldn't you get this instead of an HMZ? The ST1080 is better in every way, except for having six degrees less FOV.

i'd rather check their return policy minutely - for usd699 , lot of money

Well two reasons:

1) Smaller FOV. Really any little bit counts.

2) AFAIK no support for side-by-side. Which sucks because my laptop can't do HDMI 1.4a, so I would need to find a way to drive this thing for presentations, backtop VR, etc. (of course my PC is no problem).

Hey Cyber, a while back there was confusion over HDMI 1.3 or 1.4a for this unit. Do we know that this unit on sale is going to be the the 1.4a version? Also why is your PC not problematic as well? You still need to encode the source feeds into a HDMI 1.4a supported format. What encoder do you use for this?

I haven't really heard (or don't remember) anything about supported 3D formats other than the generic "Frame Packing" terminology on the website. Does anybody have any specific information about supported formats?

The FOV thing is the only reason i'd consider the Sony at this point of time. As CR says, every little bit counts.

hmm

The ST1080, with its brighter screens, would surely beat the HMZ with a FOV mod.

read horror stories of HDMI connection protocols on avs forums
not sure if the connection will be problem free
know of VGA that is easy as breeze but HDMI not sure
so st1080 may be/may not be right

First off, VGA is an aging/dying format. HDMI has no problems, don't know what horror stories you are talking about. If the standard itself has issues, it would not be the most dominant digita video transmission protocol on the planet at the moment.

Second, you are Ancjob. This is the second count of one month ban evasion, if you do it again, you will be permanently banned from this board.

I thought the site said HDMI 1.3 has that been changed to 1.4, 1.4 a or somthing else ?

As Cybereality stated, no support for SBS means no support from me... unfortuneatly!

Same here, I'm afraid.
My laptop is VGA only, but I might have been tempted to get it just to use with my PC and home cinema - but Sky 3D broadcasts side-by-side, so that takes care of that.
Phooey

Are there any games that only work in SBS? And why don't SMD support SBS?

Hello Gentlemen !

After i did a little research in the internet i found this forum discussion ( Review of the ST1080 )
And after reading all 7 pages i decided to register here to be able to post some questions especially to PalmerTech, who was able to have a look at the ST1080 first hand on the CES.

I am following the Facebook site and website of Silicon Micro Displays since day one and hope that their HMD will be the right one for my purposes.
I also read all the articles and reviews about the Sony HMZ-T1 and watch the Facebook site of Carl Zeiss Company ( Cinemizer OLED ).
Hopefully i will be able to have a close look on the Cinemizer OLED on CEBIT 2012 in Hannover / Germany in a few days ( 6th - 8th March ) .
But i think that the Cinemizer will have a lower resolution than the Full HD ST1080 and may be even lower than the HMZ-T1 which has only 1280x720p.

This year i am willing to spend money for a real good HMD and a 360 degree headtracker ( which hopefully will have no jitter effects as my actual Intertrax2 Headtracker from Intersense Company has )
I want to use that setup for a combat flight simulation ( DCS: A-10C Warthog )

So my questions to PalmerTech would be :

Will the ST1080 be the right choise for Flight-Simulations ?
What do you think, will i be able to read cockpit gauges and also be able to spot enemy aircraft and ground targets regarding the resolution and pixel lines ?

Can you please give me ( and others ) some personal thoughts about that ?


The few reviews of the HMZ-T1 frustrated me because most of them had a negative touch ( bad comfort because of the weight when using it longer than 1 hour, small pupil exit, blurry edges, fake 5.1 headphones, etc. )

The Vuzix 1200 VR also had not such good reviews and now all my hope is in the Cinemizer OLED and ST1080.
Thank you very much for an answer !

This guy on YouTube is using the Cinemizer OLED in a racing Simulation with the Headtracker from TrackIR :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjPhnFvD ... ion_370181
He wrote that the Cinemizer OLED has 1280x720p per eye ( is that resolution confirmed from Carl-Zeiss Company already ? )

best regards,
GSG9LIGHTNING

PS : Sorry, english is not my native language, i hope i didnt do any mistakes.

Hahaha nice catch Palmer, prob not to hard because they might change thier names but they still type like idiots, so his typing still looks to be like a Ancjob.

Ah I dodn't check but how come that site requires a password, say type password below, did I miss something?

If you look on the SMD website it says the following 3D formats are supported:

http://www.siliconmicrodisplay.com/st1080-features.html

It does not mention SBS. Maybe it has support, I just have not seen it mentioned. In terms of HDMI 1.4a compliance, they are probably not 100% compliant, and thus cannot advertise as such. But similar to what Sony did with PS3, they are probably using HDMI 1.3 and just added on those 2 specific 3D frame-packing formats but nothing else. That would explain why they haven't been more forthcoming about advertising 1.4a support.

I think it will be perfect for flight sims. The stuff I saw did not have much text, but what I did see looked very sharp and crisp. There is no problem with pixel lines, the image is very smooth and high quality.

I'm thinking that the 24 fps @ 1080 mode should be worthwhile for flight sims also.

@PalmerTech
Thank you very much !
I really hoped that you will tell me something like that.

So happy now

Did i understand right that you are in contact with the engineers of Silicon Micro Display ?
If yes i have another question that you might ask them for me.

Are the earphones of the ST1080 on the published pictures ( on their Website ) the ones that come with the final product ?
I think that they are too uncomfortable with its big diameter and hard surface, don´t you guys think so too ?
I had one pair of these on a MP3 Player i bought years ago and i must say i hated those earphones.
They never stayed in position when i moved my head and they felt hard inside the ear.
I threw them into the garbage can and bought in-ear-phones with silicone caps...that was a real difference in comfort !

There are much better types of in-ear-phones now on the market with very soft silicone caps which are removable for cleaning or just change the size of the cap diameter which goes into the ear.
Can you ask the engineers of SMD if they might rethink about the earphones please ?
In my opinion the wearing comfort (ergonomics) must be as good as the used technology to succed with a new product.

Thank you !

PS :
@ WiredEarp
24 fps at 1080p for 3D experiance should be sufficient for flight simulations, you are right ( Cockpit and gauges in 3D )
But it might be kind of laggy during gun runs on the ground targets ... i have to test that when i get my ST1080.

Or somebody else might publish a detailed review here

Those earphones aren't very nice, but at least it looks as if they can be removed (unlike the ones attached to the Sony).

I always prefer to use my own headphones if possible; the ones that come bundled with HMDs are usually very poor.

Agreed, personally I always have headphones for gaming anyway, so would always just use them if I have the option. Personally, I much prefer the 'around the ear' type with big cans and wide cushions that sit outside your ear and against the side of your head. They also cut out a lot of external noise. I like this type as any type that is pushed up against my ear gives me a hot ear after an hour or so.
I've never really used in ear phones, is that what you are talking about with these silicon ones? Can you post a link?

@ GSG9LIGHTNING: I know what you mean, every frame counts in those circumstances. However, depending on how the game is coded, you may still get greater than 24 FPS of input resolution/game loop, which would make a difference in feel etc, especially for VR applications (otherwise, 24fps will be causing a delay in showing head movements on an HMD, which loses immersion and can make people sick). I think it all depends on the game. I wonder if I can switch my monitor into 24fps somehow and test a few games out now to see how they perform? Black Shark should be ok, since most of the combat in that consists of hovering from afar and designating targets etc, so probably slower than A10's combat.