No, it's 2D, and it was made for FPV in aircraft and car modeling, they also can be used with composite analog video signal, no computer standards (like VGA) supported. But, they aim big FOV!

I hope Zeiss will look in that direction too.

Fingers crossed!

I used to use the Olympus Eye-Trek 250w, which had an FOV of about 42 degrees (widescreen) and had a wonderful image, although the resolution was very low by modern standards. I would love to see something similar on the market today!

Hdmi 1.4 is confirmed. They showed off the headset playing 3d PS3 games.

Not sure why they can't go higher with the Fov. 35 degrees is just not gonna cut it in 2011.

that's why emagin asks for a cool US1800 for the '2D' [their 3D is woth the name sake only] emagin 3dvisor as they are the only ones with 800x600 and 40 FOV - undisputed !...and also the 'optics' are great!....you put them on for hrs at a stretch no strain at all....however images are not Sharp , low contrast and brightness and low power does not compensate for it...but they are still undisputed to this day....


No company has the guts to challenge Emagin....be it Vuzix ,cinemizer or Sony [their glasstron was a NOT a success so they being wary!]

So emagin 'd stay undisputed for a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time...

i guess Vuzix wrap1200 does fillin the void not entirely but that's what you get...

Cinemizer OLED and iRacing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D5fHi ... jT3qL-UEsQ

Thanks for sharing the video. Seems the guy that made it claims they are 720P, which is as close to a confirmation as we have so far.

the POV people have their hopes set far too high. the press info out there is 45" at 6'. that's not going create a feeling of being engulfed.

let's hit the math. let's say that's 40" wide, or 3.33 feet (it's not, but let's be generous). 2*pi*r is 33.42' circumference. 3.33/ 33.42 * 360 is 36 degrees.

If nothing else, it is a pair of mass produced tiny 720p displays interfaced to HDMI. It could be worthwhile for use with custom optics.

at least cinemizer is thinking out of the box....to make an almost HD HMD with HDMI input which so far even the vuzix has not ventured into...with all that jazz abt wrap 1200 / wrap 1200VR....

it's sad to know that fatshark can give 46 FOV with kopin VGA screens aka washed out colors and the rest [vuzix,cinemizer] can't do that with their product...which they claim has better screens than those crappy kopin VGA displays...

Has anyone here actually merged the optics from a fatshark HMD with a VR920 or Wrap920? that could be a good conversion if it is possible Maybe even something to consider for the Wrap1200VR if the panels in the 1200 are similar size to the 920

I just wanted to put peoples expectations in line.

If full immersion is your bag-- it's not mine!-- these might not be the pair for you. I want these for coding & doing work while lounging about; in my case, uber-immersive would suck-- scanning a huge ass screen would be a lot of strain! I want a HD workspace that is easy to look at & take in: a virtual monitor.

Given my use case, it'd be nice if the virtual screen were a little closer. 6' is considerably farther away than my real monitor.

Everyone will be looking for different things, have different use cases.

yes - it's sold for USD$30,000 onwards..... - give it a try
btw - i think cinemizer OLED is HDMI 1.4 a compatible - plug'n'play......supporting playstation 3d formats..is it true?

Wow! There it is: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201108/11-097E/index.html

720p and 45 degree horizontal FOV, meaning roughly 51.6 degrees diagonal. It's being released Nov 11th in Japan at 60,000 Yen. Hopefully that means its coming to the US at some point for somewhere under $800.

wrong thread mate. this is for the cinemizer oled.

I'm going to IFA on Sunday. So hopefully I can get some more info and hands on time with the cinemizer.

WOW is that for real ?
Most people were saying sony won't release an HMD anytime soon...Is this really for real ?? LOL
But if it is real, when somthing is released in Japan how long till it gets released in the states ?


http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/31/sony ... -japan-no/

Awesome, let us know how it goes. If they will not give you exact specs, then make sure to press hard! Another thing to do would be to bring your own video source (Like an iPod, or ideally a PMP with HDMI out) and bring some test images/videos. If you have some images with single pixel wide lines at various angles, you should be able to ascertain if it is scaling up or down when it gets a 720p input.

Also, we should try and keep discussion of the Sony headset here: viewtopic.php?f=120&t=13674

Thanks.

ok, looks like zeiss is not at IFA. I just checked the IFA website and went through the list of exhibiting companies and Zeiss is not even listed.
i'm going there anyways, but I don't have my hopes up to get some hands on time with the Cinemizer HD

at-least Sony HMD is demo-ed there
see here : viewtopic.php?f=120&t=13674&p=63318&sid=6bbb9a42c6565f57a6b45afd7c7f847b#p63318

hope you will get the sony demo and provide your views...

I sent an email to Zeiss this morning with a few specific questions about the Cinemizer OLED.

They responded almost immediately (very nice).

I guess this information can be considered official:

Will the Cinemizer OLED be able to switch between 16:9 and 4:3 ratios? yes
What formats of 3D will it accept; will it be side-by-side (as before) or will there be other options as well? yes, side-by-side, top-bottom and line interleaved. and of course HDMI 1.4a
Will it be possible to swap the left and right images (for cross-view 3D photos) if necessary? yes
Will there be more scope for adjustment of brightness, contrast etc. or will it have a series of pre-sets as with the Cinemizer Plus? not yet final!
Is there any information about when the new Cinemizer might be available to purchase? Could it be out before the end of the year, or will it be more likely in 2012? most likely 2012 unfortunately

For me, this may actually be better than the new Sony; it will be more portable, it will have better connectivity, and the headphones can be removed if you wish. I'm looking forward to seeing what they produce!

only if the fov and oled resolution is on par with that of sony - which i believe it's NOT

Well its nice to hear that "legacy" 3D formats are also supported. Especially for use with mobile devices without HDMI 1.4a support. I mean, it sounds like a good headset, but we don't yet know if its really 720P (probably not) and FOV will likely be around 35 degrees, not ~50 like the Sony. But, yes, it will be more portable if thats what you need and also have a decent headtracker (which Sony is lacking).

Personally I am planning on getting the Vuzix Wrap 1200VR whenever it releases (hopefully soon) and probably get the Sony when it comes out in November. Unless Ziess can offer some advantage (for example super wide FOV or a better headtracker) I just don't think I can afford (or need) 3 new HMDs.

i believe after whatever i read abt cinemizer OLED that i will be better any day compared with wrap1200VR if the head tracker is included in the deal....i'd rather wait for cinemizer OLED , wrap1200VR seems so so btw sony is settled - will buy the moment it's out in US

Really, since it is so much thinner, how could it match or exceed the Sony? I think it is safe to assume the FOV is lower, and that the resolution is as well. It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever to have a 720p HMD and not be bragging about it. The only reasonable explanation for their caginess is that the res is sub-HD. I am proceeding with purchase of the Sony. I'm going to build an awesome simulator - looking for the best WHDI solution.

i'd not have high hopes with cinemizer oled either - it's oled [may be 600p] with fov 35 and head tracker included - still better than pathetic 852x480 reflective lcds in wrap1200/wrap1200vr....

btw Sony is the ultimate for now - if it comes out it's new 'KING' in the ring.....no further thoughts abt it...just go for it if it's avaialble for pre-order ! i wish i'd do that .....need to wait for the usa release at least.

The Cinemizer OLED does not have integrated head tracking. They did have it integrated in a prototype (such as the one shown in the racing video on YouTube) but the production units do not include it. That's not a deal breaker for me as there are many great head tracking devices it can be paired with. Carl Zeiss might revisit this next year and add head tracking in a future model.

Edit: Found a link to source this information. Either way, it looks we'll have to implement a head tracking solution for these upcoming headsets.

That sucks, headtracking is a must have feature for me. I know you can DIY it, but for the price these companies are charging they can afford to tack headtracker on it. Probably more than the hardware, they don't want to have to support the device with APIs, drivers, etc. But the leaves just the Vuzix 1200VR providing a full package with headtracking and everything.

Aren't dedicated head trackers supposed to be better than the ones provided with the Vuzix or others consumer oriented HMDs ? Also buying an existing head tracker would limit problems of compatibility and drivers, which would not have been necessarily the case if Sony or Carl Zeiss did integrate one on their HMDs. I don't really see the problem here.

Well there are trackers available, so yeah, its not the end of the world. Its just kinda ghetto to spend $600+ on a device, and then have to duct-tape aftermarket products onto it. And the tracker on the 1200VR is actually decent, not sure how it compares to others, but its pretty good. From the videos I saw of the optional add-on tracker Zeiss had, that was also competitive.

TrackIR seems to have a lot of games on their support list, don't see how that could be matched by Zeiss or Sony. I'm looking into the infra-LED tracker clip for TrackIR...it looks like it would be very easy to mod--even more so for the Zeiss headset.

Edit: Velcro is much cleaner for modding than duct tape.

TrackIR is good if you like simulation titles. They sadly don't support really any FPS games.

Yeah, TrackIR seems aware of this problem...but it looks like Arma II is the only FPS they have "enhanced" support for. I read with older software TrackIR can emulate mouselook. What other solutions are there for first person shooters?

Why do they not support FPS? That's a potentially more lucrative market.

It make sense that TrackIR can't support FPS as it can't do 360 degree tracking. The max is like 120 degree but it can do 6DOF. Can't remember which simulation game, but if you move your head near the monitor, it will zoom in, pull back and it will zoom out.

Depth is supported on a lot of games...just take a look at the games list.

I'm trying to piece together space flight games that I can play in S3D with TrackIR. So far all I've found is Freespace 2 Open.

Well if you like sim titles, then the TrackIR may be of interest. For me about the only game thats even remotely appealing to me (that I have) is the DIRT series. I wonder if the TrackIR software can do mouse/joystick emulation so you could use it in more games (aka FPS titles). That might make it a little more appealing. That and if the SDK was available for hobbyists/indie developers.

Lots of sims support 6DOF TrackIR. Black Shark, A10, FSX, etc.

Its probably the best supported interface, really, if you wish to use any other trackers with existing windows games, you will need to create a tracker -> trackir 4 interface. Although Naturalpoint have tried to lock down all the new releases to only use 'real' trackIRs, there are patches you can run against those games to re-enable TrackIR4, which then allows you to use your tracker with those programs.

@Cyber:

TrackIR used to fully support mouse emulation. I believe they removed it after TrackIR3 to drive sales of their ridiculously expensive 'headmouse'. Someone else wrote an interface to do the same thing with a TrackIR 4. TTT, if you want better TrackIR support than TrackIR provides, your best bet currently is to use the TrackIR headset (TrackClip Pro etc) with a good webcam and Freetrack. Freetrack is actually much more powerful than stupid TrackIR - you can assign 'zones' so that when you turn your head to a certain position or angle, it presses a key or does a joystick movement. This means you can make even games that dont allow view panning to allow you to look out other views easily. I also believe it supports mouse emulation. You'll probably need to 'patch' any newer games to work with Freetrack however, but as long as you dont wish to play online, this isn't really a problem.

Engadget's mid march hand's on reports not 720p, but way lower resolution: 870 x 500
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/06/zeis ... -hands-on/

The Z800 OLED's I used to own did something like that.

I call this the Cinemizer Fauxled, for Zeiss being cagey about the resolution for over a year.