I have a feeling that the extra 200 lines in horz. resolution of 852 will make a bigger diffrence over the old 640 Horz. resolution than we might think.

I know it is a different beast but there are small projectors on the market that have 852x480 resolution that scale to higher resolutions much better than the older 640x480 projectors could.

Even at 852x480, with a nice scaler it could probably look alright. I do still hope its 720P, though.

Hi, everyone - I've been following this forum for awhile; finally joined.

Even if the new Cinemizer has a resolution of 852x480, an OLED display should look better than the Vuzix LCD display, and that alone makes it an exciting option. Since the LCDs are so directional, it's hard to get the contrast adjusted across the left and right displays. OLED should solve that problem.

I have both the Cinemizer Plus and the Wrap 920 (and about half a dozen other HMDs - sad, I know); both have good and bad points, but I find I use the Vuzix most often, on balance. But if the new Cinemizer really has HDMI and VGA as well as OLED screens (and if it really comes out at all) it could well be the ideal HMD - you never know!

Great forum!

Hey! Welcome to the forum. Please stick around. Lots of information around here.

cinemizer guys just posted there pictures on their facebook page. interesting idea to have a steady cam operator wearing those. but makes allot of sense in combination with a 3d camera.

HhaahahAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry. Those pictures are just too funny (especially that last one).

Jokes aside, I would want something like this. It be pretty cool.

The more information we get about these new Cinemizers, the better they sound.

If that Panasonic camera is feeding a 3D image directly to the glasses, that means an HDMI port that can handle 3D (HD) video. If Zeiss can bring these out before the end of the year, I have a feeling they will blow Vuzix out of the water - unless they are insanely expensive.

(I would love to see the footage that guy shot with his rig!)

Its no fun waiting...

Have filled out their marketing form.

Looks like its a price point determining exercise as well as a demand determining exercise.

Worth filling in.

Here is hoping for an earlier release.

Peter

Hey there
I m very excited, as everyone on this forum, about the new Cinemizer OLED.
Recently I ve watched a demonstration video on youtube.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUvk8E8j_SY)
The intresting part was not the video other then the discription attached to it.
It contained some info about the specs and prices point about this product:

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Carl Zeiss' new 2011 Cinemizer 3D-capable video eyeglasses are a must have BIG 55 inch OLED TV 3D in your pocket !

2 x 1280x720 pixels OLED Hight-Definition
Widescreen 16:9 for REAL MOVIES EJOYMENT
3D Bluray compatible with HDMI 1.4 input in the Glasses
Headtracking for games !
Compatible with iphone , ipod , ipad , computer , dvd , bluray 3D
Autonomy of the battery 4 hours
Price 515$ US summer 2011

SO my question is can this Info be true or not coz 2 x 1280x720 pixels OLED Hight-Definition Displays for 515 bucks is way off the standart price-segment for other hmds/companys.

I just want to put this in the room.
Tell me what you think.

This isn't official Carl Zeiss channel, so info in description can be same rumor as we already have.

I'm not sure where this information has come from; Zeiss haven't posted any concrete details on the Cinemizer website or on the Facebook page. We know it will be widescreen, we know it will have HDMI and VGA connections and we know it will have a headtracker, but from what I've seen, they haven't been more specific than that.

I don't think Zeiss have confirmed the resolution, or the HDMI 1.4 connection - or the price and release date.

If it is released in the summer, that would be fantastic. I would love to be forced to choose between the Cinemizer and the Vuzix - these should be our biggest problems!

I wonder why they are not bother to make wider FOV. I mean 32-35 (in case of Vuzix) cannot be seriously called improvement. I think in limits of 60 FOV they already can make such optics, at least 45 they can make for sure.

My guess is that a larger field of view would mean using larger displays, which would mean a bulkier headset, or using more expensive lenses, which would push the retail price too high.

If more companies were to develop consumer-level HMDs, it would probably bring down the cost of the components. Very high quality headphones are affordable today because everybody uses headphones. Not everybody uses HMDs, sadly...

I know that, but I'm sure they can do 45 degree FOV without sacrificing in a price tag, it's not that lens are so much bulkier or different if it goes from 32 to 45. Yes, for 100 degree FOV you need bulky headset, but 45 can be made in same form factor as 32-35.

Take a look at FatShark HMD, with almost the same form factor as iWear VR920 they have reached 46 degree FOV.
Why this didn't bother Vuzix and Cinemizer.


There are mentions that new version of FatShark HMD also have no distortions on the edges, so optics is pretty fine.

A 45 degree OLED set would be amazing. If the new Cinemizer does well, maybe they will produce one! If anyone can make high-quality lenses, it's Zeiss.

Does the FatShark display 3D? I've never had a chance to try one, but I've always been curious.

No, it's 2D, and it was made for FPV in aircraft and car modeling, they also can be used with composite analog video signal, no computer standards (like VGA) supported. But, they aim big FOV!

I hope Zeiss will look in that direction too.

Fingers crossed!

I used to use the Olympus Eye-Trek 250w, which had an FOV of about 42 degrees (widescreen) and had a wonderful image, although the resolution was very low by modern standards. I would love to see something similar on the market today!

Hdmi 1.4 is confirmed. They showed off the headset playing 3d PS3 games.

Not sure why they can't go higher with the Fov. 35 degrees is just not gonna cut it in 2011.

that's why emagin asks for a cool US1800 for the '2D' [their 3D is woth the name sake only] emagin 3dvisor as they are the only ones with 800x600 and 40 FOV - undisputed !...and also the 'optics' are great!....you put them on for hrs at a stretch no strain at all....however images are not Sharp , low contrast and brightness and low power does not compensate for it...but they are still undisputed to this day....


No company has the guts to challenge Emagin....be it Vuzix ,cinemizer or Sony [their glasstron was a NOT a success so they being wary!]

So emagin 'd stay undisputed for a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time...

i guess Vuzix wrap1200 does fillin the void not entirely but that's what you get...

Cinemizer OLED and iRacing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D5fHi ... jT3qL-UEsQ

Thanks for sharing the video. Seems the guy that made it claims they are 720P, which is as close to a confirmation as we have so far.

the POV people have their hopes set far too high. the press info out there is 45" at 6'. that's not going create a feeling of being engulfed.

let's hit the math. let's say that's 40" wide, or 3.33 feet (it's not, but let's be generous). 2*pi*r is 33.42' circumference. 3.33/ 33.42 * 360 is 36 degrees.

If nothing else, it is a pair of mass produced tiny 720p displays interfaced to HDMI. It could be worthwhile for use with custom optics.

at least cinemizer is thinking out of the box....to make an almost HD HMD with HDMI input which so far even the vuzix has not ventured into...with all that jazz abt wrap 1200 / wrap 1200VR....

it's sad to know that fatshark can give 46 FOV with kopin VGA screens aka washed out colors and the rest [vuzix,cinemizer] can't do that with their product...which they claim has better screens than those crappy kopin VGA displays...

Has anyone here actually merged the optics from a fatshark HMD with a VR920 or Wrap920? that could be a good conversion if it is possible Maybe even something to consider for the Wrap1200VR if the panels in the 1200 are similar size to the 920

I just wanted to put peoples expectations in line.

If full immersion is your bag-- it's not mine!-- these might not be the pair for you. I want these for coding & doing work while lounging about; in my case, uber-immersive would suck-- scanning a huge ass screen would be a lot of strain! I want a HD workspace that is easy to look at & take in: a virtual monitor.

Given my use case, it'd be nice if the virtual screen were a little closer. 6' is considerably farther away than my real monitor.

Everyone will be looking for different things, have different use cases.

yes - it's sold for USD$30,000 onwards..... - give it a try
btw - i think cinemizer OLED is HDMI 1.4 a compatible - plug'n'play......supporting playstation 3d formats..is it true?

Wow! There it is: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201108/11-097E/index.html

720p and 45 degree horizontal FOV, meaning roughly 51.6 degrees diagonal. It's being released Nov 11th in Japan at 60,000 Yen. Hopefully that means its coming to the US at some point for somewhere under $800.

wrong thread mate. this is for the cinemizer oled.

I'm going to IFA on Sunday. So hopefully I can get some more info and hands on time with the cinemizer.

WOW is that for real ?
Most people were saying sony won't release an HMD anytime soon...Is this really for real ?? LOL
But if it is real, when somthing is released in Japan how long till it gets released in the states ?


http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/31/sony ... -japan-no/

Awesome, let us know how it goes. If they will not give you exact specs, then make sure to press hard! Another thing to do would be to bring your own video source (Like an iPod, or ideally a PMP with HDMI out) and bring some test images/videos. If you have some images with single pixel wide lines at various angles, you should be able to ascertain if it is scaling up or down when it gets a 720p input.

Also, we should try and keep discussion of the Sony headset here: viewtopic.php?f=120&t=13674

Thanks.

ok, looks like zeiss is not at IFA. I just checked the IFA website and went through the list of exhibiting companies and Zeiss is not even listed.
i'm going there anyways, but I don't have my hopes up to get some hands on time with the Cinemizer HD

at-least Sony HMD is demo-ed there
see here : viewtopic.php?f=120&t=13674&p=63318&sid=6bbb9a42c6565f57a6b45afd7c7f847b#p63318

hope you will get the sony demo and provide your views...

I sent an email to Zeiss this morning with a few specific questions about the Cinemizer OLED.

They responded almost immediately (very nice).

I guess this information can be considered official:

Will the Cinemizer OLED be able to switch between 16:9 and 4:3 ratios? yes
What formats of 3D will it accept; will it be side-by-side (as before) or will there be other options as well? yes, side-by-side, top-bottom and line interleaved. and of course HDMI 1.4a
Will it be possible to swap the left and right images (for cross-view 3D photos) if necessary? yes
Will there be more scope for adjustment of brightness, contrast etc. or will it have a series of pre-sets as with the Cinemizer Plus? not yet final!
Is there any information about when the new Cinemizer might be available to purchase? Could it be out before the end of the year, or will it be more likely in 2012? most likely 2012 unfortunately

For me, this may actually be better than the new Sony; it will be more portable, it will have better connectivity, and the headphones can be removed if you wish. I'm looking forward to seeing what they produce!

only if the fov and oled resolution is on par with that of sony - which i believe it's NOT

Well its nice to hear that "legacy" 3D formats are also supported. Especially for use with mobile devices without HDMI 1.4a support. I mean, it sounds like a good headset, but we don't yet know if its really 720P (probably not) and FOV will likely be around 35 degrees, not ~50 like the Sony. But, yes, it will be more portable if thats what you need and also have a decent headtracker (which Sony is lacking).

Personally I am planning on getting the Vuzix Wrap 1200VR whenever it releases (hopefully soon) and probably get the Sony when it comes out in November. Unless Ziess can offer some advantage (for example super wide FOV or a better headtracker) I just don't think I can afford (or need) 3 new HMDs.

i believe after whatever i read abt cinemizer OLED that i will be better any day compared with wrap1200VR if the head tracker is included in the deal....i'd rather wait for cinemizer OLED , wrap1200VR seems so so btw sony is settled - will buy the moment it's out in US

Really, since it is so much thinner, how could it match or exceed the Sony? I think it is safe to assume the FOV is lower, and that the resolution is as well. It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever to have a 720p HMD and not be bragging about it. The only reasonable explanation for their caginess is that the res is sub-HD. I am proceeding with purchase of the Sony. I'm going to build an awesome simulator - looking for the best WHDI solution.

i'd not have high hopes with cinemizer oled either - it's oled [may be 600p] with fov 35 and head tracker included - still better than pathetic 852x480 reflective lcds in wrap1200/wrap1200vr....

btw Sony is the ultimate for now - if it comes out it's new 'KING' in the ring.....no further thoughts abt it...just go for it if it's avaialble for pre-order ! i wish i'd do that .....need to wait for the usa release at least.

The Cinemizer OLED does not have integrated head tracking. They did have it integrated in a prototype (such as the one shown in the racing video on YouTube) but the production units do not include it. That's not a deal breaker for me as there are many great head tracking devices it can be paired with. Carl Zeiss might revisit this next year and add head tracking in a future model.