I think I understand. It's a matter of balancing the depth and convergence, and you are having trouble getting the balance that works for you. This is what is giving you those "ghosting" results. Am I understanding your experience now?

In the case of Nvidia, do you use the scroll wheel to adjust your settings, or something else?

Regards,
Neil

Hi Neil
My answer is YES at last. That is exactly.
But when you use the 3dtv play with NVIDIA the scroll button is off.
So i setup the stereo images in games manually in everything but with success.
I would like to add also from the moment i installed CYBERLINK Power Dvd 10 3D Ultra in my desktop pc, the last TRIDEF drivers stopped to give a stereoscopic image using my SONY HX800, i dont know why!
So POWER DVD 10 3D ULTRA is ok with 3Dvision 3dtv play.

I made a mistake the scroll button is working. Sorry, Neil

Yeah, that is not really ghosting then. Ghosting is when some of the image that is intended for the right eye bleeds into the left or vice-versa. To test this while you are playing a 3D game simply close one eye. If you are still seeing a "double-image" then that is ghosting. However if you are playing with high depth and convergence, then certainly elements may be hard to fuse in your mind to make a 3D image. This often happens with objects in the foreground, like the gun in an FPS game. In this case it may be impossible to combine the object together, so it appears like a "double-image" but it is not ghosting. It is just a matter of having too high a separation of the elements. This has nothing to do with the hardware or the software. It has to do with your mind. For example, you can do this in real life. Just hold your index finder facing the ceiling right in front of your nose. Now focus your eyes on the computer monitor. You will see 2 fingers super-imposed upon each other. However, this is not considered ghosting.

Hi cybereality
I know very well what you explain to me and i agree too. This is the result of difficulty for the eye to focus on a pop out object!
But i dont speak about that. I mean the problem with the background when i see double images. I had this problem almost every time with theIZ3D monitor before. After that with the ZALMAN monitor i was finding the sweet point and everything was ok. In that way i was very happy with the ZALMAN...
Now with shutter glasses you cant do that . Which is the word for that problem to see 2 images in the background? And its hardware or software problem for you?

And my conclusion is that IS GHOSTING.
you know why! when i close one eye and...etc

I thought you meant using the iz3d drivers with your tv and experienced ghosting while switching to nvidiadrivers removed it... The above statements makes some things more clear though. And yes, it's no secret that the iz3d-monitor indeed ghosts a bit. The quality of the iz3d drivers are good though.

Ok, then maybe you are talking about ghosting. I know the IZ3D monitor itself supposedly has serious ghosting problems, but that is the hardware, not the software. I use the iz3D driver on my Zalman and I do not notice any more ghosting than with either the Nvidia or DDD drivers.

Everybody must understand that the most important thing is the making of each game.
So for instance i take AVATAR. The first time i tried it was with my ZALMAN monitor and the nvidia drivers and the image was perfect. I mean amazingly perfect. When i tried the IZ3D drivers i remarked immediately some ghosting in the background, so i dont agree with you LIKAY and CYBEREALITY. But nevertheless AVATAR is an excellent stereoscopic
game. The problem is that i tried with my 3dtv, FALLOUT NEW VEGAS and i was disappointed with 3DVISION. It was producing ghosting, wrong shadows in some scenes, problems with the cloudy sky position, lights and ...2010 goes to its end and even now after these new pieces of hardware the programmers didnt take seriously the stereoscopic support for games.
And for that reason sometimes i feel really sad...

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Avatar has native support for stereo which means that neither iz3d or nvidiadrivers are involved (they're disabled by default when launching the game) so if you're not remembering wrong you're actually blackpainting a little bit.
The other anomalies you describe for fallout seems to be softwareinduced. It was quite some time ago i played fo3 using the iz3ddrivers and the experience was, if not perfect, at least very close to it. To add a remark: Iz3d drivers more often than not have some anomalies when playing games as with using nvidia. There are a very few games which are entirely perfect but usually the anomalies are of a small kind.
The experience might differ a bit between the two but until games use native stereoscopy like avatar it seems like we have to accept it.

does anyone knows if sony kdl46hx800 have good results when you convert 2d to 3d?