Hi! I have a older GPU (9600GSO in SLI). Will this method allow me to use 3DTV Play on them as well?
What I want is to enable 3D output to my polarized 3D LCD TV. Nothing fancy so I don't want to buy a new card just for it. Please help! Thanks a lot!

Not sure if Nvidia will work, but you could also try the IZ3D or DDD drivers. Both of those work well with interlaced displays.

does 3d vision work with your card? it is not listed under the reqs for 3dtv play, so maybe there is another whitelist or some sort of hdcp/hdmi rewuirement.

i know iz3d and ddd provide a decent interlaced option. i wonder if you could use the zalman stereoscopic driver: http://www.nvidia.com/object/stereo-3d- ... river.html
you would need a monitor override inf to get the drivers to think you had a zalman monitor though. i wonder if someone with a zalman monitor would be kind enough to make one or post the edid..

I was able to use the emulator but suddendly it stopped working... when I run enablestereo.bat (cscript enablestereo.wsf) it gives me in the command line the error "d:\1\enablestereo.wsf(53, 16) Microsoft VBScript Runtime Error: O
ActiveX component can't create object: 'DSF.DSF' I tried reinstalling all, including a fresh new win7 x64. But no luck. Any help ?? TKS

Have you launch the 'runme_once' batch file?
If so, you may also try to run enablestereo.bat as administrator.

hi all i was using the 3d vision hub emulator on my old 3dtv with no probs but obviously being checkerboard i could'nt upgrade to 3dtv play.i have now upgraded to a hdmi 1.4 3dtv,i ran the emulator again and it upgraded to 3dtv play,what i need to know is do i still need to run the usb emulator to use 3dtv play cos when i start a game without the emulator running it reports it's in 3d but it doesn't look like it and changing the depth seems to have no effect
thanks gixer

3dtv play still checks for the usb emitter if you have not activated it by paying the license fee. so you need to have the emulator running and the resolution set to 720p60Hz or 1080p24Hz in order to get stereoscopic 3d working.

Hey guys, I've tested this hack and it worked on my Panasonic Vt20e, however there was a big problem and I had to use system restore to fix it. I use the Tv through a Yamaha 7.1 receiver, when I installed the hack the receiver got recognized as a Denon stereo receiver. Any ideas as to why this may have happened. I aim to test again in the future, but if this can't be fixed it is really unusable to me

Guess no one is using a receiver

its because the edid being used in the custom inf is from a denon receiver. what you need to do is use moninfo to get the audio settings from your receiver and import them in to your own inf. if your receiver is not whitelisted by nvidia, you will need to use one that is and edit from there.

Thanks, bgnome
my receiver is listed by Nvidia, but is a 7.1 Yamaha RZX receiver. I'll try and do what you suggested

The enabling method discussed here works well with 3Dvision video, etc. except that I could not play 3d Blu-Ray.

My setup : Nvidia GeForce GTX 550Ti/TMT5 or PDVD 11/3d .iso files ripped by AnyDVD HD/Hisense HDMI 1.4a compliant 3DTV(with Samsung LED panel, 60Hz input and 120Hz by interpolation).

I could enable 1080p24Hz in my Hisense 3DTV and successfully play the Nvidia 3D stuff but blu-ray 3d films (Sammy Adventure,etc) showed no 3d effect even when 3d was enabled in TMT5. Even worse in PDVD11: the program feedbacked that my HDMI 1.4 display is not supported.

Any idea ?

I suspect the EDID inf file for Denon Receiver cannot support 3D Blu-Ray. Anyone playing 3D Blu-Ray with it successfully?

Anyone kind enough to offer a suitable EDID inf file for 3D Blu-Ray?

Cheers,
Stewart

what do you mean by "Nvidia 3D stuff"?
the 3d stereoscopic demo is misleading because it does not actually require 3DTV Play when it runs. so you can run the demo without 3DTV Play working at all.

PDVD is a different beast. assuming that you really do have 3DTV working correctly, you need to have PDVD output 3D in the correct mode for your display. i use interlaced output since my screen is passive. i do not use 3DTV Play output with PDVD.

Thanks bgnome.

I mean I can play 3d videos in the Nvidia "3d vision live" site.

I've just found that the problem of playing Blu-ray might be due to two independent reasons, perhaps (I'm not so sure) :
1.that my iso files captured by older versions of AnyDVD HD can't output 3d;
2. I have to tweak the "manage 3d settings" in the Nvidia control panel. The key is to set "maximum pre-rendered frames" of TMT5 to 5 rather than the default of 3. I don't know why, but perhaps it is related to frame interpolation because my 3dtv is native 60hz but it automatcially interpolates to 120hz, a function that could not be turned off.

Anyway I could now play 3d blu-ray in TMT5 with my original Blu-ray disc in my BD RW in my PC. I could also play new 3d ISOs ripped by the newer versions of AnyDVD HD.

Even the above two-prong approach does not work with PDVD11. Like you said, PDVD is a different beast and it does not recognise/support my HDMI 1.4 display . Interesting enough, in the working TMT5 I just chose "Nvidia 3d Vision Ready Display" which includes "HDMI 1.4 3D TV".

Anyone knows how to tweak PDVD for 3d output to HDMI 1.4 dispaly?

Cheers,
Stewart

Oop! Commented too early.

My above hypotheses are simply wrong!
The fault rests with the DISC itself. I could play "Resident Evil Afterlife" all right but "Sammys Adventure" just refuses to render 3d effects.

What are the format differences of these two discs?
Could a disc fail to render 3d effect if it is copied imporperly?

Cheers,
Stewart

Update : both discs play 3D in a BD player connected to my IDTV without problem.

So the problem is : Nvidia GeForce GTX 550Ti + 3DTV + HDMI 1.4 IDTV can't play 3D effects for some BD discs in my PC.

Why?
Any remedies?

First off, thanks for this thread.I used it to get the 3D working on my GTX 460 with my VIZIO M3D421SR.

The thing is, now I have sizable input lag; even when switching back to 2D.

It's mainly the mouse that is really noticeable, but even the keyboard is. I think I remember the lag starting right after installing the 3D IR emitter emulator. Maybe it is somehow making my USB port think it has less power left than it does?

Any help is greatly appreciated!!

I just undid the EDID override, and the input lag I described is now gone.

Well damn, I switch the EDID to get 3D on my tv which was listed on the NVIDIA websit and it gives me input lag.

I guess I will have to figure something else out; this method gives me an unacceptable amount of input lag.

Since it looks like your tv is a passive display, you will likely have better luck with the zalman spoof that buttmunch posted here:
viewtopic.php?f=115&t=13821

you do not need to use the usb emulator, but it knocks out hdmi audio and restricts you to 1080p only for s3d.

I greatly appreciate the reply bgnome, and you are correct it is a passive display.

I'll give it a shot soon here, and let results be known.

As a side note, are there any dangers of messing up my equipment when overriding the EDID of a TV or monitor??

I mean, is there any way you can "brick" it like a Nintendo Wii when messing with firmware and things like that?

Just wanted a bit more info.

Thanks again!

I'm in business now. I can do 1080p @ 24 hz or 720p @ 60 hz just fine, and I merged the extension block from my TV's EDID with the Zalman and HDMI audio works like a charm too.

I'm still learning, and have obviously learned that games are a no go at 1080p @ 24hz because of input lag, even with Game Mode on my TV. It's either 720p @ 60 hz at 42 inches, or 1080p @ 60hz at 25 inches for around the same price is what I find. I'm usually a resolution freak but I'll take the bigger one I believe. =D

Thanks.

Can someone please tell me in which format is the signal sent to the TV.
I did the steps in the tutorial, it work, but my LW5500 recognises automaticly 3d image and restricts some settings. Game mode is not available when 3D is on and there is some input lag that I don't know how to correct from expert mode (which is available).

There is no ghosting at all with 3DTV play(720P@60hz) but there is a big fluctuation of FPS (in Black ops) and input Lag.

3DTV Play currently only supports framepacking format, hence the 720p60/1080p24 limitation. Using the Zalman EDID locks it to 1080P interleaved using 3D Vision.

The TVs usually limit settings when in 3D mode. You can try accessing the service menu, but buttmunch has had limited success with LG in that regard. The Zalman EDID will likely alleviate the input lag since the PC is handling the image processing instead of the TV.

Thank you.
I also tried the Zalman EDID but it limits 3D to 1080p and I had tons of ghosting.

Question:
What is the screen size in this EDID? Can I modify the setting for screensize in 3DTVplay?

Hello guys.

I bought a new 3DTV to replace my Sammy LCD and i was stunned watching some Half-SBS content like Deep Sea. It is amazing but now i'm trying to play some 3D Bluray using PDVD 11 or TMT5 but i could not get it to work so i need help.


System
i7 875k @ 3ghz
p7p55d-e deluxe
4gb ddr3
asus gtx 560ti with 290.56 drivers
xfx 750w be
HP BD-RE BH20L

Half-SBS mkv movies work just fine but how to play my 3d blurays?

I connect my LG 42LW5700 to my computer using the mini-hdmi adapter and 1.4 hdmi cable

I did the russian trick with the nvidia 3dtv play and it works with denon inf but unfortunately i could not see the 3d effect but with zalman inf i could not even activate the 3d option in pdvd.

i have extracted my edid and i would like to know what is the extension block? how to fix the zalman inf (just in case if i get it to work ofc) manually?

I will install my new HT system which is Onkyo TX-NR509 with polkaudio speakers and i will be using the passthrough funcionality of the Onkyo. I am just waiting for the BJC cables to arrive next week.. should i wait until then to do some tests? any inf for receiver?

btw in the device manager both stereospic 3d drive emulated usb and zalman drive shows one exclamation mark and i have input lag but with denon only the stereospic 3d drive had the exclamation point and i did not have input lag...

Any advices (except to buy another model) will be appreciated.

Thank you so much.

Kind Regards,
Queiroz

The new drivers (295.73) seem to have broken 3DTV play for me, all the simulated 3d games such as Skyrim work just dandy with them but 3d vision games like L.A. Noire and The Witcher 2 have stopped showing 3D completely. Is there any way to fix this aside from reverting to old drivers? From what I gathered it has to do with Nvidia removing CRT support in the new drivers that is causing the EDID override to stop working but frankly I'm not knowledgeable enough about 3D to say. I'd love to know if someone is working on fixing this workaround to be compatible with new drivers or if I'm just s.o.l., I actually really like 3D Vision Play and spent the 40$ on the software so it's disappointing to see it stop working.

My Specs are:
3.3 GHz Intel Core i5 2500-k processor
2.5GB EVGA Nvidia GTX 570
Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 Motherboard
8 GB Corsair Vengaeance Arctic White RAM
Sony Playstation 24" 3D Display (EDID Override w/nvidia emitter emulator)

EDID over-ride still works for me (using blocked VGA). Nvidia seem to have added counter-measures to prevent the emulator working with the new emitter drivers. You can still use new 295 Display and 3DVision drivers but you have to combine them with the 285.79 emitter driver. Remove the 295.73 emitter driver (only) using the nvidia uninstaller, leave everything else installed, reboot then run the emulator again, if you updated from the 285 beta then windows might still have a copy of that driver stored and should automatically install it, but you might need to use the roll-back driver button in the emitter device's properties in device manager. If that doesn't work then extract the 285 driver and try installing it manually using nvstusb.inf, if all else fails just run the 285 installer again but just install the emitter driver, don't have the emulator running whilst you do it though, reboot and next time you run the emulator it should install that driver. I have not seen anyone report problems with using the 285 emitter driver with the 295 3Dvision / Display driver, but I'm sure Nvidia will find a way to block this work-around soon, and whilst they're at it they will probably block the use of EDID over-ride inf files to fake certified displays...

Thanks Nick3DvB, I just reverted to my old drivers when I got the email for your reply so I just re-installed 295.73 and did it custom without the 3d vision controller driver and everything seems to be back to normal. Unfortunately it seems L.A. Noire won't work in DirectX 11 but will in 9 and Alan Wake, which I just grabbed doesn't seem to want to work at all (though most people says it's janked even it does work so I'm not too concerned about that). I wish Nvidia would stop making it harder for people to use their products, I shouldn't have to be limited to certain displays just because they choose not to support mine.

This is slight OT since the thread is about 3DTV play and I read all three pages but am a little confused... could this also bypass the lockout to enable 3D Vision gaming even if you don't have HDMI 1.4 or 3D Vision supporting monitor/glasses? (but do have a monitor/glasses capable of adequate display rates - like CRT/DLP)

3DTV Play is the solution by Nvidia to enable stereoscopy on HDMI 1.4 devices. 3D Vision is treated separately. In order to use your own 120Hz CRT/DLP independent of the 3D Vision hardware, you will need the 285.62 driver or older and the 3D Vision emitter emulator, as described in this thread. You do NOT install the HDMI 1.4 monitor override inf, although you may want to try the Rollermod inf. You will need to determine how to sync your glasses to your display if necessary.

So not updating the controller driver has worked great, that is until the new beta drivers. I tried to download them because they're supposed to help with Risen 2 performance but it causes my emulator to stop functioning thus preventing me from using 3DTV Play, this is quite unfortunate

that is pretty easy to fix. you can do a custom install of an older version of the driver and uncheck all the options except for the usb emitter controller. this should allow you to keep the updated graphics drivers and still use the emulator. conversely, when you update drivers, you uncheck the emitter controller.

I did that but regardless when I install the 301.24 BETA Drivers my usb emitter emulator stops working even when I don't install the emitter controller, going back to 296.10 instantly makes it work again though.

And 301.24 WHQL came out today and I'm running into the exact same problem, even if I don't install the new emitter controller the emulator stops functioning and the Nvidia control panel no longer recognizes that I have 3DTV Play, I hope someone more knowledgeable than myself can figure out a way to fix this

Just updated to the v3 WHQL and same thing as the above two people.

It appears that nVidia may have changed the driver to only enable if hardware is actually present as it shows a 'device could not load' message on the usb emitters info page.

As for you all using the emulator has anyone created a solution that loads before the PlayTV expired message so that doesn't show or a way to hide it on login, and auto starts the enablestero bat file in the background with no dosbox shown?

There my only issues I have with this solution as its annoying to have to sort that out every single time I load the pc for watching 3D.

Gone through many Bluray 3D movies the last couple months and has been really good watching and the driver has been great the 8 months or so until now that I have been using it.

Lol this my first post since I joined in 2007 under the old auto assigned username system.

Personally, I have moved on to using an EDID override for a passive monitor that is flagged as "Optimized for Nvidia Geforce" so I no longer use 3DTV Play, but rather 3D Vision at 1080p. I know I have run in to the USB emitter driver issue before, and have solved it by going back to a compatible version of the driver. I have dug through my driver list, (about a dozen of the more recent officials and betas), and I think I have found a version that works with the current 300+ WHQL graphic driver release.

This is the USB emitter driver from Win7x64 version of 285.38. This is the latest one that I have that installs the driver correctly. You will need to install it through the "update driver" method and choose the "have disk" option and install the unsigned driver. I could test it further to confirm it works but would need to change my driver setup. Let me know if it helps you guys.



I believe that there may be a trial reset tool for 3DTV Play out there, but that is going in to legal areas beyond the scope of this forum. If you have the USB emitter working, I am pretty sure that your 3DTV Play should be activated and no longer display an expired trial message.

The method I describe in the OP still has the dosbox pop up on startup, but it disappears quickly and the script is automatically minimized:

"Tip: As mentioned, you can create a shortcut in your Startup folder to have enablestereo.bat run when Windows starts.
To have the command window minimized when run, edit the enablestereo.bat file, (notepad should work), and change "start cscript enablestereo.wsf" to "start /min cscript enablestereo.wsf"."

*Edit: With further testing and a reboot, I was able to get 3DTV Play working on my "approved" display with WHQL 301.42 using the 285.38 USB Emitter driver. I will edit the OP to reflect the current situation.

Thanks for the post bgnome, will test out the stuff today

With the emitter it depends the load order as if 3dtvplay is loaded before the emitter emulator script you will get the trial message as it hasn't detected a emitter yet.

So windows load order I don't know really about as I have always loaded the emitter after windows has loaded.

But putting it in start-up may make it still load after unless you can force it to load before 3dtvplay loads somehow.

Ill look into that abit later.

It would not really make sense to me that 3DTV Play is loaded that early. Maybe you have set a "3D Resolution" for your desktop? 3DTV Play would limit you to 720p60 or 1080p24 so I would advise against it if that is the case. It seems to me that the stereoscopic driver can be set to activate only when you need it to, as opposed to being active the whole time. My display has an annoying confirmation popup that requires user intervention when it detects a framepacked signal, so I have preferred the row-interleaved 3D Vision.

But I don't want to leave you guys out to dry so let me know if the driver works out. If not, I can try to do some more testing as well.

Tried the driver last night seems to activate fine and shows the logo etc haven't tested it yet but will do today.

As for resolution I use normal desktop 1080p/60 and run 1080p/24 on demand when needed in tmt5 etc.

As for the load order of programs and I searched regedit etc and couldn't really find the reference for the serialize app and adding the enable stereo in startup did nothing on the trial expired window.

The reason 3dtv play is coming up as expired is its looking for either a activation code or connected hardware emitter and if those 2 fail it falls back to being expired and showing the expired message at boot unless you have the hardware connected at the time of boot.

Plugging in the hardware or loading the stereo emulator after boot auto activates 3dtvplay but you will still see the trial thing regardless if you have software installed as mentioned it detects the presence of the connected hardware (not installed drivers) for activation. (Remember all drivers for the hardware are part of the main nvidia video driver and installs for everyone with a nvidia graphics card so if it worked of drivers it would be activated for every single pc regardless)

The enable stereo enables in the the device manager stereo USB driver and makes windows think that the actual hardware is present which is done virtually and stops when you close the dos window (If you read the messages there)

Its like loading any hardware device the drivers and the info in device manager are only active when the hardware is present and connected (this should be a no brainier). I would hate to see the system load and conflicts of windows keeping every single device you have plugged loaded and present for windows (which is stupid for external hdd's you don't want to always have windows think you have a hdd plugged in when its not) for ever since you installed windows fully enabled that you plugged into the usb enabled 100% of the time.

This is why If I can I will try to load the serialize.exe on a delay after the emulator if I can find where startup info for this exe is contained.

But I have a feeling it is loading as part of the core nvidia video driver package and not separate which would make sense in nvidias eyes to load before any user startup applications as part of there video driver so it can control whether the windows display manager will run as 3d or not through 3dtv play. The order goes ini-files>services>hardware>drivers>system apps>userapps & startup-folder

So I have a feeling I'm out of luck of trying to get 3dplaytv activated automatically.

I know there are some windows scripters to automate windows and applications so mby I could use one to auto close the 3dtv play expired box or even see about some rogram stuff to control the file attributes like window showing etc.

I'll keep you all posted if I come up with anything to deal with the system startup expired box on 3dtv play.