Optoma HD27HDR, HD39HDR and GT1080HDR - REAL WORKING with 3DVision at 1920x1080x120 Hz!!!

Post by **RS422** » Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:20 pm

How turn 3DVision at 1920x1080x120Hz?
Where I can find EDID file from UHD-40 for patching HD27HDR ?

Post by **russellk** » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:17 pm

I don't have either of those projectors, but, you could try this file which I downloaded from the old forums some time ago.
There have been so many EDID files floating around that I genuinely don't know the context of this one though.

In principle, I think Paul Dusler created the original UHD40 EDID and he pretty much removed most of the modes apart from 1920x1080x120Hz. But don't quote me on that!

You should be able to create your own with ToastyX's Custom Resolution Utility (CRU). 3D vision uses the name of the display (in the top field of CRU) to identify if it's a known supported display or not.

*edit* added a list of hardware. It wil be out of date and someone else did it, not me, but this is as good a place for it as any.

Post by **RS422** » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:53 pm

thank you very much.

Post by **puzzabug** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:03 pm

I got cru to install this eide on a optoma uhd30 - it's great. Thanks for posting!

Post by **russellk** » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:35 am

Thanks for posting and also confirming that the new UHD30 works. I believe the UHD30 is the EU version of the UHD50X, which supports 240hz input!

IF you have time, tt would be really interestring if you could try and create a custom resolution in the nvidia control panel of 1920x1080x240Hz and see if it works.

On the thread over at AVSFORUMS (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-digit ... tor-4.html) Mark Rejhon @ Blurbusters was really keen to get more information on how that mode looks as well.

Post by **RS422** » Tue May 19, 2020 6:22 am

HD-27HDR, HD-39HDR and GT1080HDR - all this Optoma models can do not only 3D in 1080р/24 Hz for movies, but also 3D in 1080р/120 Hz for gaming on PC!
Optoma UHD-40 - native 3D in 1080p/120Hz (Frame Sequental).
Other - via EDID override in "Monitor" section in Windows (native driver replacing with monitor driver from Optoma UHD-40).
I had all this PJs and confirm this...

Post by **russellk** » Tue May 19, 2020 7:33 am

Thanks for confirming. It does seem that Optoma support 1080p frame sequential most of the time.
Of course from that list only the UHD-40 is 4k. Also it's still not 100% confirmed that 1080p frame sequential works after the BIOS update that added other hdmi bluray modes.
Unfortunately my BenQ TK800 cannot be made to work. I've considered buying something like a HD39-HDR as well just for 3d vision...

Post by **RS422** » Tue May 19, 2020 8:59 am

russellk wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 7:33 am I've considered buying something like a HD39-HDR as well just for 3d vision...

Short Throw GT1080HDR give bigger screen. I play at 210" painted wall (sitting from 2 meters distance). With HD39HDR was 170" only.
Between screen and pj - 4,5 meters in my room.

Post by **russellk** » Tue May 19, 2020 12:39 pm

RS422 wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 8:59 am
russellk wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 7:33 am I've considered buying something like a HD39-HDR as well just for 3d vision...
Short Throw GT1080HDR give bigger screen. I play at 210" painted wall (sitting from 2 meters distance). With HD39HDR was 170" only.
Between screen and pj - 4,5 meters in my room.

Yes, my current PJ is relatively long throw, so I might actually be able get away with stacking projectors but with one much closer to the screen than the other.
It's a good reminder about throw distances though, I sometimes see threads on avsforums where people buy a projector but haven't calculated (or didn't know) how it works.
I'm on a 110" screen at the moment, it's just an elitescreens electric with maxwhite material, which I think is 1.1 gain.
Because it's standard screen and not high gain or ALR, I think I could fit a short throw in somewhere maybe.

Post by **RS422** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:28 am

Update. New Optoma laser UHZ-406 pj can work with 3DVision at 1920x1080x120Hz Frame Sequental too... With USB pyramyd only!

Post by **russellk** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:03 pm

RS422 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:28 am Update. New Optoma laser UHZ-406 pj can work with 3DVision at 1920x1080x120Hz Frame Sequental too... With USB pyramyd only!

Thank you! More options.. Looks like most (if not all) of the modern 3d Optoma's work.
I see they have dropped the Vesa 3d sync port from the new models though, which means no RF glasses, although the emitters and RF glasses seem to be getting rarer and more expensive anyway.

Post by **djb** » Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:20 pm

-deleted- I was going to get the uhd50x, and had some questions, but I have more research to do first.

Post by **3DNovice** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:40 am

Post by **VegetaSuperSaiyan** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:19 am

So 1090HDR is plug and play 3d vision compatible?
I'm looking for a projector for ps5 4k gaming as well as 3d vision gaming.
I would prefer a true 4k projector that also gives 1080p 3d vision gaming.

Post by **djb** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:23 pm

Where I ended up -

First, Thank You Pauldusler for your Post on the UHD40, and the EDID's, along with your 3DFM Tool!
Thank You RS422 and russellk for your various posts and information!

- DLP Glasses - None of the glasses in Paulduslers UHD40 post in NVidia were available to me, so I ordered some "Ultimate 3D Heaven DLP Link 3D Glasses" from Amazon.

- Was going to try the UHD50X, but got paranoid after seeing issues on AVS/reddit re: Split Screen and Firmware updates

- Decided to try GT1090HDR laser
Plug n Play gave me 3dtv and Checkerboard no problem. DLP Glasses worked fine with test screen and games in 3dtv play
Tried 3D Sync with Nvidia Glasses, timing off/sync with NV glasses/pyramid - did not work

Tried both UHD 40 EDID's (with and without DSR) with CRU.
NV Glasses with 3D Sync/DLP Link/On/Off etc and fiddling with every other setting I could think of (or had a menu options to change!), did not work. Sync'ing of glasses was off. I tried with/without wire from PJ to Pyramid.
DLP Glasses would give a good ghost free image, but no matter what I did, the colors in the NV test screen would flow through the colors of the rainbow.

I fiddled with everything imaginable, for days, and gave up and returned it to Amazon. Someone smarter than me on this might get it to work, but not me, and wasn't about to fiddle with glasses timing.

- Got the GT1080HDR - great Amazon price.
As mentioned previously in this post (RS422), it works with the UHD40 EDIDs just fine with DLP Glasses above. Tried with Mad Max w/fix, fantastic. Frame Sequential.

Tried all above with 1809/425.31 and 20H2/452.06 w/3DFM

That is all the testing I could do, and appreciate all of the previous posts on this topic. Packed the PJ up and put in storage, till it comes back out in several+... months (office done).

For the Screen, a couple years ago, I had a 120" "Silver Ticket Products" white screen, forget the gain. Wall mount, black velvet border. I loved it. So, went back for another, larger one. Got the 165" White, 1.4 Gain. I can't put that together, yet, but I ordered anyway as it was 2/3 off on the price and their inventory is getting low. For some reason they are having a fire sale.

My 1 question, if you do decide to do sbs/tb, do you do with defualt EDID (checkerboard) or with UHD40 EDID Frame Sequential? I'll fiddle later, but was just curious. edit - better put - use the PJ in Generic CRT Mode or Checkerboard? I'd fiddle again, but it's back in the box

Again, thank you all for what you posted here and back in NV.

Post by **RS422** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:57 am

With Optoma GT1090HDR it is necessary to turn "Frame Sequential" in pj 3D options, NOT "Auto". In my Optoma laser UHZ-406 was color issues (yellow) in "Auto" mode. I did not test GT1090HDR laser, but I think this is a bug of all laser models when EDID activated.

Post by **3DNovice** » Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:31 am

Post by **Guig2000** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:40 am

Hello, I tseted this "Optoma_UHD_40_DSR.zip" edid hack on my hd29h, but well, it removes a lots of stuff like 4k, HDR, input and more importantly 10 and 12 bpc depth.

Does anybody knows exactly what do we have to modify/remove in the edid in order to activate crt mode in 3D vision?

Post by **3DNovice** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:46 pm

Be sure to check you blacks using a test pattern, to make sure Nvidia is supplying the correct dynamic color range
https://tft.vanity.dk/MonitorTest_pureHTML.html (online)
https://tft.vanity.dk/ (offline, choose executable mode)

Post by **skalpelMMA** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:30 pm

my projector hd29hst (gt1080hdr) works even in 4k 3d 60 hertz! 4K is scaled to full hd. I run games via 3D Fix Manager with IR emitter and nvidea glasses. I have not changed any edid. it just works out of the box! thanks to Pauldusler and his program!))

Post by **RS422** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:55 am

skalpelMMA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:30 pm my projector hd29hst (gt1080hdr) works even in 4k 3d 120 hertz! 4K is scaled to full hd. I run games via 3D Fix Manager with IR emitter and nvidea glasses. I have not changed any edid. it just works out of the box! thanks to Pauldusler and his program!))

what resolution is in the Nvidia Control Panel ? I have gt1080hdr too, but it work in Frame Packed 3D only. There no Analog Display option in 3D options in the Nvidia Control Panel (out of the box, without EDID changing).

Post by **russellk** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:45 pm

RS422 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:55 am
skalpelMMA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:30 pm my projector hd29hst (gt1080hdr) works even in 4k 3d 120 hertz! 4K is scaled to full hd. I run games via 3D Fix Manager with IR emitter and nvidea glasses. I have not changed any edid. it just works out of the box! thanks to Pauldusler and his program!))
what resolution is in the Nvidia Control Panel ? I have gt1080hdr too, but it work in Frame Packed 3D only. There no Analog Display option in 3D options in the Nvidia Control Panel (out of the box, without EDID changing).

That's a good question, since AFAIK these don't support 4k native anyway, so they can take a 4k input but will always downscale (which still looks better than native 1080p).

I wonder what 3d mode the projector is in too? I suspect it's just 1080p frame sequential (120hz).

Post by **skalpelMMA** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:11 pm

RS422 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:55 am
skalpelMMA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:30 pm my projector hd29hst (gt1080hdr) works even in 4k 3d 120 hertz! 4K is scaled to full hd. I run games via 3D Fix Manager with IR emitter and nvidea glasses. I have not changed any edid. it just works out of the box! thanks to Pauldusler and his program!))
what resolution is in the Nvidia Control Panel ? I have gt1080hdr too, but it work in Frame Packed 3D only. There no Analog Display option in 3D options in the Nvidia Control Panel (out of the box, without EDID changing).

4k 3D mode 60 hertz scaled to Full HD. In 3d mode 4k 30 hertz per eye. 30 fps maximum. nvidea glasses in 4k do not work. only dlp works. incidentally in dlp glasses xgimi 144 hz there is no ghost effect that was in glasses nvidea. 3D on the projector: incl. resolution in the game: 4k. resolution in the nvidea panel: full hd 120hz. IR emitter: can be turned off as glasses NV do not work. run through 3D Fix Manager.

Post by **skalpelMMA** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:56 pm

russellk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:45 pm
RS422 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:55 am
skalpelMMA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:30 pm my projector hd29hst (gt1080hdr) works even in 4k 3d 120 hertz! 4K is scaled to full hd. I run games via 3D Fix Manager with IR emitter and nvidea glasses. I have not changed any edid. it just works out of the box! thanks to Pauldusler and his program!))
what resolution is in the Nvidia Control Panel ? I have gt1080hdr too, but it work in Frame Packed 3D only. There no Analog Display option in 3D options in the Nvidia Control Panel (out of the box, without EDID changing).
That's a good question, since AFAIK these don't support 4k native anyway, so they can take a 4k input but will always downscale (which still looks better than native 1080p).

I wonder what 3d mode the projector is in too? I suspect it's just 1080p frame sequential (120hz).

3d mode frame sequential or auto

Post by **russellk** » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:32 pm

@skalpelMMA thansk for the clarification

Post by **VegetaSuperSaiyan** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:08 am

HD30HDR is good for 3d vision and reshade gaming?

Post by **skalpelMMA** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:52 pm

VegetaSuperSaiyan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:08 am HD30HDR is good for 3d vision and reshade gaming?

you need to download the user manual for the HD30HDR and for example the GT1080HDR. compare section "copmpatible resolutions". I think you have an Australian version of some kind of projector, maybe HD39HDR? ask on the official website of your distributor for which American or European version your projector is. because I could not find instructions for your projector. I personally think that HD30HDR supports 3D vision 120 Hz full hd.

Post by **VegetaSuperSaiyan** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:29 pm

I live in India importing form Taiwan. I have to choose between gt1080hdr or hd30hdr. Apart from the difference short throw and long throw, I am unable to find any difference in specs.
GT1080HDR is 300usd expensive than HD30hdr.

Post by **skalpelMMA** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:11 pm

VegetaSuperSaiyan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:29 pm I live in India importing form Taiwan. I have to choose between gt1080hdr or hd30hdr. Apart from the difference short throw and long throw, I am unable to find any difference in specs.
GT1080HDR is 300usd expensive than HD30hdr.

If you compared the specifications from the user manual of both projectors and found no differences, then most likely the HD30HDR will support 3D. studying optoma manuals, i concluded that optoma has very good support for nvideo 3d vision! BUT! I will not claim that it is 100%!/////When choosing a projector, keep in mind that there is little point in having a screen smaller than 100 inches. only therefore it is probably better to buy a more expensive short throw projector if you cannot place the hd30hdr at a distance of at least 350cm. + the room must be dark otherwise the contrast will be very poor. if you want to watch during the day, you need a special ALR screen. they are expensive too.

Post by **Guig2000** » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:57 pm

Guig2000 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:40 am Hello, I tseted this "Optoma_UHD_40_DSR.zip" edid hack on my hd29h, but well, it removes a lots of stuff like 4k, HDR, input and more importantly 10 and 12 bpc depth.

Does anybody knows exactly what do we have to modify/remove in the edid in order to activate crt mode in 3D vision?

So after some research and try and error I answer to myself. An EDID hack, in order to be able to activate generic crt mode, must have:
+A fixed display size, with a width which does not exceed 166cm (it's in main VESA bloc, basic section).
+HDMI 3D must not be set to present (it's in extension bloc, HDMI VSDB).

EDIT: And yes changing display ID is not required.

It cannot be done with CRU (at least properly), Moninfo is required (EEdit gold will also help).
By using Moninfo, we can build a proper edid hack which does not remove or modify features like 10bpc, HDR, 4K, available resolutions,color characteristics, latency etc.

Post by **Pauldusler** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:28 am

Actually for these projectors like HD29H you don't need an EDID hack. A guy proved that just forcing StereoViewerType=1 in Windows Registry bypasses 3DTV Play and enables 3D Vision mode. First I didn't believe that it would work but then he uploaded a video which proved it working. You can force StereoViewerType=1 on each game launch by setting up a display profile in 3DFM and make sure "3D display type" is set to "3D vision / Generic CRT" in the display profile.

Post by **Guig2000** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:00 am

Yeah, I did not undestood this feature on 3DFM.
"skalpelMMA" explained to me in PM, "just setup your 3DFM", "why EDID hack?"

The fun part is that I previously managed to do this a few time manually (without 3DFM I mean) by alt-tab ing a game after it launches, then changing the register value then going back to the game... something that is a bit painfull.

Whatever now I know how to do EDID hack for frame sequential on AMD and nvidia cards, which is not a total waste of time.

3Dfix manager is even a greatertool than I was thinking.

Post by **3DNovice** » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:36 am

Post by **puzzabug** » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:34 pm

I'm wondering if there's a way to send frame packed (1920x1080r +45blank+ 1920x1080l) to this projector and have it accept it as frame packing. So far it just runs it in 4K mode and won't let me start 3D.

https://etmriwi.home.xs4all.nl/forum/hd ... action.pdf

It looks like there's something you've got to send in the header for the video signal, and I don't know anything about this stuff. Is this easy or super challenging to attempt?

Post by **3DNovice** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:05 am

Post by **puzzabug** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:48 am

3DNovice wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:05 am Hmm, I don't understand, in a prior post above, didn't you have 3D working?

I have nvidia 3D working, and that works great on my 3D rig + nvidia 3D capable software.

There's other software like Blender 3D, sview, or StereoPhoto Maker, or trine 2 (running without nvidia 3D). I can render these in stretched side by side or above/below, but I lose half of the res. I'm trying to send a full frame packing signal to my projector so I get full 1080p per eye.

I have 1 open pci-e slot, so maybe I could get an old quadro card and try to run quadbuffer 1080/120.

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Post by **w8ing4some1** » Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:38 am

I'm now evaluating Optima UHZ50 as an upgrade option for my aging Benq w1070. UHZ50 seems to be the top of the line 4k gaming projector from Optoma which supports Frame Sequential format 1920x1080@120Hz out of the box. It also has 3D SYNC port. Link: https://www.optomausa.com/product-details/uhz50 Manual: https://www.optomausa.com/ContentStorag ... bc03d6.pdf

I had a chance to play with it for just a few hours so far and I'm facing some issues with 3D vision.
Once connected to my PC, both 3DTV play and checkerboard options become available in Nvidia control panel. In 3DTV play mode, Nvidia test app as well as games work perfectly with both DLP and 3D vision glasses.
In checkerboard mode both glasses failed to produce 3D image.
The next thing I tried is generic CRT mode using 3DFM display profile setting. I was looking forward to game at 60fps in full HD, but I encountered a serious issue. While games do start in 1920x1080@120Hz, I noticed a severe greenish ghosting around light-colored objects, which is impossible to ignore. It is especially visible around white text and stuff. That is using 3D vision glasses, for some reason DLP glasses didn't work in this mode. I tested games like Trine 2, Portal 2 and Xcom 2.

Does anyone have an idea how to solve this issue? I didn't try EDID override because I thought 3DFM does the same thing. Can connecting emitter to 3D SYNC port help? I didn't try because I cannot find the cable.
I guess the most important question is why DLP glasses didn't work in CRT mode. I read reports that 3D vision glasses sometimes don't work with Optoma projectors, but didn't expect it from DLP glasses.

Additionally, I wonder if there is a way to hack this projector into enabling 3D in 4k resolution, like some LG OLED TVs?
Any input is greatly appreciated.