Hello there,

I'm new here and I admire the efforts based on motion tracking, head tracking and gyros. But to me the ultimate goal is to get a Virtual Reality setup that gives me the feeling of being in a mind controlled alternative reality like in The Matrix, The Lawnmower Man or an LSD trip

HMZ-T1 is good enough for me for audio and 3D visuals, I'm not looking for higher resolution or better headphones. My problem is the choice of a compatible brain–computer interface (BCI)

Most of these consumer brain–computer interfaces rely also on eyeblinks or eye movements, facial expressions or facial muscles. Relying on eyes make them impossible to use with a HMD (and I don't care for facial muscle contractions and headaches either). Is there any real alternative to be used with the HMZ-T1? A solution that is good enough to play FPS games only by the use of brain waves and such. How about XWave headset? Anyone tried the HMZ-T1 or similar with a mind control device like Emotiv Epoc and the Master Mind app?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_consumer_brain–computer_interfaces

Would really appreciate input if you've got any experience or ideas.

The thing to keep in mind is that most of these don't use muscle contractions as an aid, they use them almost exclusively. The "brain waves" are not useful in any measurable way.

I have used a lot of these, including the Epoc. Hate to break it to you, but none of them are very good at even basic commands, much less something as complex as playing an FPS game.

The following presentation gave me hope but if you had first hand experience with the same device, I guess we'll have to wait for another 5 years:



Well, at least now I can try to shamelessly copy pierreye's setup for myself without having second thoughts Thanks for the input, the truth has set me free

(will still be waiting for an updated version of hmz-t1 to arrive in april though)

It is a good presentation (Assuming it was not rigged), but performing a single action is a long way away from being able to play a game. The Epoc can sense differences between states, but the latency and reliability are just nowhere near good enough. If you read most reviews of the headset, you will probably see similar assessments.

Now, there are still things that can feel like magic! Look into the Peregine Glove, or for a more retro perspective, the Fakespace Pinch gloves. They let you assign keypresses to finger touches, which is an okay trick on its own. Pair it with a Kinect, though, and you can do some very cool stuff, like choosing a spell with your fingers, then casting it with an arm movement.

Thanks again for the info. I am hopelessly wishing for a BCI + HMD setup to become the standart for a future console in the next-next-gen, when (and if) the technology gets mature enough Would not be suprised if Apple or Sony came up with such a concept design but having it go mainstream would be a dream come true.

I havent looked to see whats come out in the past few years, but one bci device ive been using for the past few years is OCZs NIA.
Although it can measure your muscles, like a clamped jaw and respond to that, it also reads your eeg, alpha beta delta etc.

The original softwares not too bad, but ive been using 3rd party software that "records" how you play and runs it though a few neural nets to 'learn'. As far as i know its the only low cost bci device thats open, ie, not a propriety signal, so theres also a few 3rd party programs around for it.

Its by no means accurate, and i usually just run into a wall for minuites at at time, but using it to run though the first level of mass effect 3 demo, while using track-IRs mouse move and viewing the whole thing with nvidias 3d is an experience.
To use a HMD would make it oh so much better, but i dont have one of them as yet.

You wont get pinpoint accuracy or control like using a keyboard, but ive used it quite a few times to run across open areas in oblivion, fallout, skyrim etc, also run around a bit in counter strike against bots, but thats cause i suck at fps even with a keyboard.

One thing id love to do, is record the eeg associated with walking, moving, jumping ducking in real life so when i finally get a hmd, because of the immersion, i just move naturally without actually moving. (although i dont think the tech is at this level)

There are some bci options out there, the biggest problem is what works under a HMD, i wear my NIA over my head rather than around my forehead (shaved head) and because its not too bulky it should work with a HMD, however it does have problems with interference. Wearing the NIA properly + nvidias glasses does cause signal interference.