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Upgrade Your 2D Display to 3D. Is this for real?
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3D Angel Eyes (Moderator)  Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:18 pm Posts: 10038 
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I have recently stumbled upon a few different solutions claiming to convert *any* old 2D LCD/Plasma/DLP HDTV or projector into a 3D display. At first this seems like nonsense. I mean, with everything that has been said about timing issues on LCD panels, flicker with 60Hz displays, etc. it would seem like this is not possible. But there are multiple companies claiming it works (there's even a video demonstration below). So if this is for real, have we all been hoodwinked? Have all the HDTVs and computer monitors we own been 3D capable this whole time? If that's true then it would seem like quite a conspiracy. Whats the deal here?
http://www.explore3dtv.com/article/1609 ... able-Sets/ Attachment: 3D-Displayer Flyer 1.jpg http://www.3d-vip.com/#!products/viewst ... layer-info You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. _________________  |
| Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:15 pm |
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Cross Eyed!
Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:08 pm Posts: 101
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Looks like they have a box that converts HDMI1.4 to 30Hz/eye sequential, which obviously you can watch on any 60Hz TV with the obvious ammount of additional flickering involved.
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| Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:20 pm |
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3D Angel Eyes (Moderator) Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:18 pm Posts: 10038
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No, it is actually not that obvious. I have tried shutter glasses on 60Hz LCDs and they didn't work, as have numerous members on this board. People said that the timings on standard LCD panels were not precise enough to sync with shutter glasses or something to that effect. Surely there was a reason everyone thought that shutter glasses wouldn't work on 60Hz LCD displays.
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| Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:57 pm |
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Golden Eyed Wiseman! (or woman!)  Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:06 pm Posts: 1897 Location: Perpignan, France
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If thas was true, don't you think the information wouldn't come from major manufacturers instead of small obscure companies ? The VIP 3D Displayer is a variation over the VIP 3D Gamer, ie. a box that transforms HDMI 1.4 signal to field sequential. They advertise televisions and projectors as supported, and although it'll work on DLP projectors even if they aren't 120Hz as we already know, the results on LCD TVs will be a lot more less convincing.
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| Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:22 pm |
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Petrif-Eyed  Joined: Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:34 pm Posts: 2705 Location: Sweden
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Newer lcd's have generally quicker responcetime than old ones but saying they work decent with 3d and shutters is a lie at this state. They works well with anaglyph though but that's not really a "counted" option...
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| Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:56 pm |
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Terrif-eying the Ladies!  Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:35 am Posts: 893 Location: As far from Hold Display guys as possible!!! ^2
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yeah its 30 / eye = 60 hz
as far as desync and anomalies go, they might just open the shutter for some 1.5 ms... but twice or something... Quote: the custom installer is able to dynamically control various functions such as frequency (60Hz/120Hz), if 120hz won't work (opening the shutter twice per frame), then the product must be practically useless. Quote: IT IS TIME TO TAKE THE BRAGGING RIGHTS FOR HAVING THE BEST HOME THEATRE SETUP ON THE BLOCK!  _________________ -Biased for 0 Gen HMD's to hell and back must be one hundred percent hell bent bias! |
| Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:19 pm |
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Golden Eyed Wiseman! (or woman!)  Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:22 am Posts: 1420
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Quote: First, JAP demonstrated its solution using the 60Hz frequency. I think 120Hz and 240Hz may have met their match when it comes to 3D. Personally I found a couple of reasons why 60Hz may be better than the higher rates, starting with adjustment times. My eyes seemed to adjust much faster and more comfortably with the lower range. Also, overall comfort was much better. 60Hz means breaking the video down to about 30 frames per second for each eye, which is much easier on the eyes. How about a BIG issue with traditional 3D: Crosstalk. With JAP's solution, crosstalk was less bothersome than it tends to be with traditional 3D implementations. All for a mere $5000.  _________________ Samsung 3d lcd led UA406000, Sharp XR-10X, 7800gt, HD6870, Samsung 450 series 50" 3d plasma, q6600, XP, Tecra m2 6600go laptop, Toshiba 7600 laptop, Xforce shutters, Argo HMD. VR920. Home brew high FOV 2d HMD. Wiimotiongun glovpepie controller, gryation air mice. |
| Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:50 am |
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3D Angel Eyes (Moderator) Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:18 pm Posts: 10038
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Okta wrote: All for a mere $5000. I know, right! You could buy a top of the line Sony Bravia 60" 3DTV for that price. And without even seeing their solution I guarantee that Sony set will blow them away. You'd be a fool to pay that much. _________________ |
| Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:13 am |
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Petrif-Eyed  Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:35 pm Posts: 2399 Location: Kiev, ukraine
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 _________________ Oculus Rift / 3d Sucks - 2D FTW!!! |
| Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:27 pm |
 
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3D Angel Eyes (Moderator) Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:18 pm Posts: 10038
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yuriythebest wrote: That is so wrong on so many levels. But just FYI, I did test my parallax barrier with some NSFW content, and it does indeed work. _________________ |
| Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:00 pm |
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Petrif-Eyed Joined: Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:34 pm Posts: 2705 Location: Sweden
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yuriythebest wrote: _________________ Mb: Asus P5W DH Deluxe Cpu: C2D E6600 Gb: Nvidia 7900GT + 8800GTX 3D:100" passive projector polarized setup + 22" IZ3D |
| Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:33 am |
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Golden Eyed Wiseman! (or woman!) Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:22 am Posts: 1420
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Love the website. Zero details just give us your money. This thing proven to work yet?
_________________ Samsung 3d lcd led UA406000, Sharp XR-10X, 7800gt, HD6870, Samsung 450 series 50" 3d plasma, q6600, XP, Tecra m2 6600go laptop, Toshiba 7600 laptop, Xforce shutters, Argo HMD. VR920. Home brew high FOV 2d HMD. Wiimotiongun glovpepie controller, gryation air mice. |
| Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:04 am |
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3D Angel Eyes (Moderator) Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:18 pm Posts: 10038
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Okta wrote: Love the website. Zero details just give us your money. This thing proven to work yet? I think someone on AVS had gotten the VIP Displayer and claimed it worked, but I still have my doubts. _________________ |
| Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:57 am |
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