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I'm one of a very few people who still uses Windows 7. I don't even have Windows 10 installed. I tried it many years ago, but got rid of it after a few months. I'm still happy with Windows 7, but one thing that doesn't work with it is Vk3DVision. Unfortunately Helifax only supports Windows 10 and doesn't plan to add support for Windows 7. So I was planning to install Windows 10 as my second OS in addition to 7 for some time. But now that Windows 11 is coming, I thought why not skip 10 and go straight to 11 :)

I decided to do this experiment on my old PC for now. The old PC is Corei7-6700K + GTX 1080. As I don't have Win 10, I had to download Win 11 iso and install it via a USB flash drive. Initially it didn't want to install because Win 11 requires TPM 2.0 and my old motherboard didn't have an option to enable it in BIOS. But once it was resolved (there's a registry trick that can be used to bypass the requirement), installation went smoothly. I installed it on a separate partition. It recognized that I have Win 7 and created a boot menu where I can select if I want to start 7 or 11. It's nice that Microsoft understands that not everyone migrated to 10 :D

By default it didn't come with any Nvidia driver and used the standard Microsoft video driver. When I ran Windows Update, it downloaded the 456.71 driver. I was able to uninstall it and try other drivers, both newer and older. If you search for Win 11 drivers on the Nvidia website, the only driver version that they offer for now is 471.41. But you can see that they use the same driver package for both Win 10 and 11, so the driver architecture didn't change that much. It means that even older drivers that don't officially support Win 11 work. To my surprise, even 425.31 worked just fine! I mostly tested with 452.06 + 3D Vision package from this post + manually modified nvwgf2um.dll and nvwgf2umx.dll per schwing's instructions (didn't want to use any automated tools in case of a possible win 11 incompatibility).

I only tried 4 DirectX games because I didn't have patience to install more on that test system. The games were 1 DX9: Batman Arkham Asylum, and 3 DX11: Rise of the Tomb Raider, Mirrors Edge Catalyst and Hitman 2. I'm happy to report that all 4 worked fine. What's interesting is 3 of them worked even without applying the schwing's driver hack. The only one that didn't work without it was Mirrors Edge. I've never tried these games on win 10, so not sure if they would've also worked without the hack there or it's some kind of a win 11 improvement ;)

I also tried 3D videos in PowerDVD 18. It worked, but there's some strange thing that every time when I move the mouse to show the controls during Blu-ray 3D playback, the image flashes and resizes a bit. Also when playing a regular non-3D Blu-ray, for some reason the monitor enters 3D mode after I set the player to full screen. I've never had these problems in Windows 7. Can anyone tell if that's how PowerDVD behaves in win 10 as well?

Finally, I tried Vk3DVision, one of my main reasons for doing the whole thing (the second reason being just curiosity about the OS itself :geek:). This time I tried it with a newer driver, 461.09. As expected, all DX11 games didn't work with that driver, but Batman, which is DX9, still worked fine. Strangely the Nvidia control panel test also didn't work (was in 2D), even though I heard it's only DX8. Anyway, I tried Detroit with Vk3DVision and it worked without any problems in DX9 mode.

Other than that, I can say that I like Win 11 more than 10 so far. They improved a few things that I didn't like in 10. And overall I was pleasantly surprised that 3D Vision mostly worked fine! Of course it's not the final version yet (the current latest build that I tried is 22000.120), but considering that they plan the release for this year, I don't expect that many changes that would create any problems with the driver.
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Nice! Thank you for this info, really good to know and reassuring.
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I also have Win 7 as my main 3d vision set up (I have 3 different OS'es om 3 different drives, for use depending on the purpose). I can confirm the issue you mention with PowerDVD is present in win10. I therefore only use PowerDVD in win 7, where it is MUCH smoother with 3d.
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Tullebob wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:27 am I can confirm the issue you mention with PowerDVD is present in win10. I therefore only use PowerDVD in win 7, where it is MUCH smoother with 3d.
Thanks, it's good to know that it's not win 11 specific issues. I guess I'll be keeping win 7 for a long time :) At least win 7 works fine on my new PC that I built in 2020 (based on Core i9-9900KS), so no issue there.
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john105 wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:13 pm I also tried 3D videos in PowerDVD 18. It worked, but there's some strange thing that every time when I move the mouse to show the controls during Blu-ray 3D playback, the image flashes and resizes a bit. Also when playing a regular non-3D Blu-ray, for some reason the monitor enters 3D mode after I set the player to full screen. I've never had these problems in Windows 7. Can anyone tell if that's how PowerDVD behaves in win 10 as well?
With Win10 I can tell that for me even watching 2d videos from Youtube in fullscreen triggers 3D mode if it is enabled in Nvidia control panel.
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Linus just put up a video saying in some games windows 11 has significantly worse performance, I wouldn't be jumping at the upgrade at this point.
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Windows 11 RTM (the final version) was released today. I can confirm that even the 425.31 driver still works with it.
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great to know, thanks man. Have you observed any strange anomalies, fps drops or other issues in games compared to Win10?
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Lysander wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:09 pm Have you observed any strange anomalies, fps drops or other issues in games compared to Win10?
I haven't seen any fps or other issues with games, but I didn't play a lot on 11 and only tried four games. I still mostly use Win 7 and don't even have 10 installed. I wanted 11 mostly for Vk3DVision because Helifax doesn't support 7, but thought since I'm the first here to try 11, I can also test other stuff.
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I don't know how you can skip W10 for 3D gaming, some games wont get good 3D on W7, W10 was then mandatory...

If W11 is able to let us play with good 3D, then great.

For installing W11 on old computer: (french)
https://support.microsoft.com/fr-fr/win ... e77ac7c70e

To know if your rig is W11 ready:
https://www.microsoft.com/fr-fr/windows ... ealthcheck
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john105 wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:06 pm Windows 11 RTM (the final version) was released today. I can confirm that even the 425.31 driver still works with it.
I need to update my driver tool for windows 11 hehe, do you know if win 11 is working with 452.06 and if this needs or do not need driver hack ?
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"AMD reports that Windows 11 may be causing a performance dip of up to 15% on Ryzen CPUs"

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-reports-tha ... X-_D21Z93Q
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Lysander wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:23 pm "AMD reports that Windows 11 may be causing a performance dip of up to 15% on Ryzen CPUs"

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-reports-tha ... X-_D21Z93Q
W11 TPM 2.0 is actually a b*tch: (french)
https://www.generation-nt.com/windows-1 ... 93111.html

FPS lost: (VBS seams faulty)
Far Cry New Dawn 5%
Metro Exodus 24%
Horizon Zero Dawn 25%
Shadow of the Tomb Raider 28%
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Driver hack for Unreal games still needed? Marde VBS that's are ugly hit percentage...
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just install win 7 and enjoy life :)
3D Vision rig -> 8700k oc 4.9, asus rog 2080ti, 16 GB DDR4 3200 Mhz ram, Win 7 running driver 425.31 on SSD1, Win 10 running driver 452.06 on SSD2, Win 10 running latest Nvidia driver for Vulkan3dV and 2D gaming on SSD3, for 3d vision display: 1080p on VG248QE (and sometimes 1440p on PG278PR), Valve Index or Optoma UHD42 projector
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DugomFirst wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:49 pm
Lysander wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:23 pm "AMD reports that Windows 11 may be causing a performance dip of up to 15% on Ryzen CPUs"

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-reports-tha ... X-_D21Z93Q
W11 TPM 2.0 is actually a b*tch: (french)
https://www.generation-nt.com/windows-1 ... 93111.html

FPS lost: (VBS seams faulty)
Far Cry New Dawn 5%
Metro Exodus 24%
Horizon Zero Dawn 25%
Shadow of the Tomb Raider 28%
Yes buy hopefully can be disabled :)
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Losti wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:04 am I need to update my driver tool for windows 11 hehe, do you know if win 11 is working with 452.06 and if this needs or do not need driver hack ?
Yes, 452.06 works and still needs a hack.
harisukro wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:09 am Driver hack for Unreal games still needed?
Yes.
Victoria wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:03 pm And as for the UI issues, get StartAllBack. Fixes the start menu, taskbar, right click menu and brings back the ribbon in File Explorer. Windows 11 is garbage out of the box but with two tweaks it looks better and runs as good as Windows 10.
Actually, I always thought and still think that Window 10 looks like garbage out of the box :) I don't like its plain flat UI. Also hated the ribbon in File Explorer. I think Windows 11 is an improvement in terms of UI. I only wish that they changed even more of the old win10 stuff that was left.
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Note that Windows 11 has more restrictions/limitations for upgrading than prior updates. See https://spectrum.ieee.org/windows-11-is ... on-your-pc, for example.
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I'm currently using Windows 11 for 3D. I failed to use the 452.06 drivers on this system because it is stuck on 3D discovery. If I select generic screen (my Optoma UHD40 is recognized like this) in the Nvidia panel, it refuses to save the changes and puts me back on 3D discovery.

For the 425.31, the 3D works but I have to use the tools of Losti to repair the driver after each reboot otherwise the 3D no longer works (even by blocking the update of the drivers). This problem also appears in Windows 10 21H2
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ZeGURU69 wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:55 am I'm currently using Windows 11 for 3D. I failed to use the 452.06 drivers on this system because it is stuck on 3D discovery. If I select generic screen (my Optoma UHD40 is recognized like this) in the Nvidia panel, it refuses to save the changes and puts me back on 3D discovery.

For the 425.31, the 3D works but I have to use the tools of Losti to repair the driver after each reboot otherwise the 3D no longer works (even by blocking the update of the drivers). This problem also appears in Windows 10 21H2
The 3D works using 452.06 drivers and Windosw 11 21H2 in my case. But now I have updated to Windows 11 22H2, and I have the same error than you.
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Repeated.
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I don't have this problem in Windows 10 21H2
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So stick to windows 10? doing a new build at the moment.
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Can anyone confirm that 3DV / geo-11 still works with Windows 10 22H2?
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So what is going on here. If I want to play Shadow of the Tomb Raider for example with proper 3D and on Windows 11 what do I have to do? I gotta install the 452.06 driver and also the 3D Fix Manager I presume. The manager will do the rest and it should work then? Maybe go back to version 280 of the game but thats it? On the 3D Fix Manager website it says only DX9 games work but Shadow uses DX11, right? So does it work properly or not?
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Godmax wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:18 pm I gotta install the 452.06 driver and also the 3D Fix Manager I presume. The manager will do the rest and it should work then?
Yes, 3D Fix Manager is one way to do it. There are other ways as well. For example, I use the 3D Vision package from viewtopic.php?p=175756#p175756 and manually replace nvwgf2um.dll and nvwgf2umx.dll that I modified earlier (see viewtopic.php?f=105&t=23352 for how to modify them). But it's just a personal preference.
Godmax wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:18 pm If I want to play Shadow of the Tomb Raider for example
This game is a bit more complicated than most others. See
viewtopic.php?t=25938
viewtopic.php?t=23410
Godmax wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:18 pm On the 3D Fix Manager website it says only DX9 games work but Shadow uses DX11, right?
It probably refers to drivers newer than 452.06. With 452.06 or below, any DX version supported by 3D Vision will work. Also for newer drivers and DX11 there's geo-11.
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