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[russellk]

I was getting RGB full so I used that, btw I decided to return the x1300i , although the brightness was nice to have, I just could not jive with the poor black levels. I did back to back testing with the Optoma and I just preferred the image on it a bit more. I may just wait until hdmi 2.1 projectors come out to try upgrading again.

Was the x1300i not better in any way? I thought all DLPs have poor black levels. My TK800 is a couple of years old now and because the bulb has done a few thousand hours, the black levels are better but the colour brightness is worse.
I'm looking at an upgrade and I'm currenly thinking Optoma UHD35(+) or a BenQ, there is still a mixture of lamp v Led v laser etc. etc.

To be honest, I wouldn't worry about HDMI 2.1 for projectors at all. I think contrast and colour are much more important. I don't think DLPs can suport VRR and 4k 120hz is a bit of a dream. I'd rather have a high contrast laser or LED device with good black levels and motion resolution. Plus 3d, obviously

[Gatorkea]

The X1300i was certainly better brightness, but I think the optoma just looks better to my eyes. It's all subjective I guess, I am no expert either. In dark games the Benq seemed worse image, the optoma looks better in dark scenes but worse brightness. I may just keep trying projectors until I find the one I want to keep lol. I also tried the HZ39hdr , it was very bright but somehow the colors / image did not look good to me and the input lag felt like it was higher than it should have been, I only kept it for a few days and prematurely returned it, wish I had kept it longer though. It has potential for sure.

[aofelix]

would jvc N series projector 4k/120hz do this ?

[RAGEdemon]

Quick browse - doubt it is 120Hz input. Link to 120hz spec?

[Metal-o-Holic]

That latest entry model Nz7
Laser engine is hdmi2.1 model
With 4k120 capability so Atleast it should hold the bandwith.
Bye bye 7k€
… another 12% Price increase coming what i read from somewhere.
Nx5 Was cheap compare to these prices.
Jvc seems to be trying to get out to play with the big boys only

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[russellk]

I bought a new BenQ X3000i last week and have been playing with it all this week.

I've managed to get it working for 3d vision (1920x1080x120Hz) with the Nvidia glasses and the DLP link glasses. I just used the UHD40 edid that Paul shared as a starting point.

Had a lot of wierd quirks with CRU and the Nvidia control panel, but it's a few years since I messed around with this so I'd forgotten quite a lot.

Anyway, the X3000i is simply a fantastic projector. I'm coming from a TK800 and it improves on it in every conceivable way. 4k is fanstasic, it's ultra low lag, the colours and brightness are superb. Black levels could be better, but that's the only negative and the positives are many. I'm so glad I bought one, especially as I changed my main monitor to a non-3d compatible screen some time ago.

[Gatorkea]

I bought a new BenQ X3000i last week and have been playing with it all this week.

I've managed to get it working for 3d vision (1920x1080x120Hz) with the Nvidia glasses and the DLP link glasses. I just used the UHD40 edid that Paul shared as a starting point.

Had a lot of wierd quirks with CRU and the Nvidia control panel, but it's a few years since I messed around with this so I'd forgotten quite a lot.

Anyway, the X3000i is simply a fantastic projector. I'm coming from a TK800 and it improves on it in every conceivable way. 4k is fanstasic, it's ultra low lag, the colours and brightness are superb. Black levels could be better, but that's the only negative and the positives are many. I'm so glad I bought one, especially as I changed my main monitor to a non-3d compatible screen some time ago.

I am jealous , cannot wait to pick one up myself

[russellk]

I bought a new BenQ X3000i last week and have been playing with it all this week.

I've managed to get it working for 3d vision (1920x1080x120Hz) with the Nvidia glasses and the DLP link glasses. I just used the UHD40 edid that Paul shared as a starting point.

Had a lot of wierd quirks with CRU and the Nvidia control panel, but it's a few years since I messed around with this so I'd forgotten quite a lot.

Anyway, the X3000i is simply a fantastic projector. I'm coming from a TK800 and it improves on it in every conceivable way. 4k is fanstasic, it's ultra low lag, the colours and brightness are superb. Black levels could be better, but that's the only negative and the positives are many. I'm so glad I bought one, especially as I changed my main monitor to a non-3d compatible screen some time ago.

I am jealous , cannot wait to pick one up myself

I don't know how it compares to the X1300i though, I know you weren't completely impressed by one of those? I think given the other plus points, like the colour brightness and 4k sharpness, this is a great device. It's 100% a keeper for me.
I got it working at 240Hz via my AV receiver too (Denon X4300h), which is a big bonus.

[ZeGURU69]

I bought a new BenQ X3000i last week and have been playing with it all this week.

I've managed to get it working for 3d vision (1920x1080x120Hz) with the Nvidia glasses and the DLP link glasses. I just used the UHD40 edid that Paul shared as a starting point.

Had a lot of wierd quirks with CRU and the Nvidia control panel, but it's a few years since I messed around with this so I'd forgotten quite a lot.

Anyway, the X3000i is simply a fantastic projector. I'm coming from a TK800 and it improves on it in every conceivable way. 4k is fanstasic, it's ultra low lag, the colours and brightness are superb. Black levels could be better, but that's the only negative and the positives are many. I'm so glad I bought one, especially as I changed my main monitor to a non-3d compatible screen some time ago.

Hi Russell,

This video projector looks pretty good! I am currently using an Optoma UHD42 and there is an ultra detail option (adjustable from 0 to 3) which works wonders in 3D games.

I looked at the documentation for the X3000i and there is also a similar option called detail adjustment (in the image menu). Have you tried it? Does it make a big difference in the detail of the image?

On the Optoma, the difference is very important, you can't play in 3D without activating this option.

[albert90]

Wanted to ask if this was a reasonable price or can I get a better deal elsewhere?

[russellk]

I bought a new BenQ X3000i last week and have been playing with it all this week.

I've managed to get it working for 3d vision (1920x1080x120Hz) with the Nvidia glasses and the DLP link glasses. I just used the UHD40 edid that Paul shared as a starting point.

Had a lot of wierd quirks with CRU and the Nvidia control panel, but it's a few years since I messed around with this so I'd forgotten quite a lot.

Anyway, the X3000i is simply a fantastic projector. I'm coming from a TK800 and it improves on it in every conceivable way. 4k is fanstasic, it's ultra low lag, the colours and brightness are superb. Black levels could be better, but that's the only negative and the positives are many. I'm so glad I bought one, especially as I changed my main monitor to a non-3d compatible screen some time ago.

Hi Russell,

This video projector looks pretty good! I am currently using an Optoma UHD42 and there is an ultra detail option (adjustable from 0 to 3) which works wonders in 3D games.

I looked at the documentation for the X3000i and there is also a similar option called detail adjustment (in the image menu). Have you tried it? Does it make a big difference in the detail of the image?

On the Optoma, the difference is very important, you can't play in 3D without activating this option.

Hi, the projector is extremely good for what I want. It's bright, the colours are great and 3d is good too.
I haven't tried adjusting the image much yet, I'll check it out and let you know. One thing is that this has a new .65 DMD and the 4k is extremely sharp, I've spent a lot of time just enjoying 2d stuff.

[ZeGURU69]

So you were able to test the detail adjustment option ?

[Gatorkea]

I just got the x3000i , but I am having trouble getting 3d vision to work. I installed the UDH40 edid, and deleted all resolutions above 1920x1080 in CRU, also set the refresh to 120hz. When trying to use photo viewer I get the double images and the emitter goes green, but glasses do not go dark and get 3d image.

[Gatorkea]

disregard, I resolved the issue. The x3000i is quite good so far for 3d, minus the red ghosting i get sometimes but it is very subtle and kinda rare to even see it.

[RAGEdemon]

Gents, I have been out of the projector purchasing scene for a while. What's currently the best projector for 3D? X3000i?

Sad about the HDMI 2.0 limitation, limiting 4k to 60Hz... Can it at least be hacked to do 1080p 240Hz in 3D? It seems to support this in 2D

Got to say chaps, I am not impressed by how slow projector tech is moving:
-- Back in 2010 we had 720p/800p @120Hz projectors. 12 years later, we only have 1080p@120Hz for 3D... in a £2000 3D projector at the same lumen output as those back 11 years ago. Not much of an improvement at all... I'm sure the colours might be nice though

@ZeGURU69, nVidia have a good solution to detail adjustment - check out their sharpening feature - it works very well in 3D. And I know exactly what you mean - sharpening is very important to me too... maybe I'm just going blind in my old age

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TanookiPhoenix suggested that the GT1090HDR laser projector at 4200lumens.

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[RAGEdemon]

That's interesting; thanks for the info D-Man; I'll check out DMD limitations...

Is there a 1440p/1600p @ 120Hz 3D projector at least?

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[RAGEdemon]

It's always an education talking with you D-Man - thank you for your unique insights... it seems that I ought to try and hold out my 12-year-old pjd6531w a few more years for both DMD tech and bandwidth limitations to advance to something more justifiable...

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[ZeGURU69]

Gents, I have been out of the projector purchasing scene for a while. What's currently the best projector for 3D? X3000i?

Sad about the HDMI 2.0 limitation, limiting 4k to 60Hz... Can it at least be hacked to do 1080p 240Hz in 3D? It seems to support this in 2D

Got to say chaps, I am not impressed by how slow projector tech is moving:
-- Back in 2010 we had 720p/800p @120Hz projectors. 12 years later, we only have 1080p@120Hz for 3D... in a £2000 3D projector at the same lumen output as those back 11 years ago. Not much of an improvement at all... I'm sure the colours might be nice though

@ZeGURU69, nVidia have a good solution to detail adjustment - check out their sharpening feature - it works very well in 3D. And I know exactly what you mean - sharpening is very important to me too... maybe I'm just going blind in my old age

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TanookiPhoenix suggested that the GT1090HDR laser projector at 4200lumens.

Hi RAGEdemon,

As 3DNovice says, it is not possible to have 4K@120 Hz on current video projectors since the DMD chip simulates a 4K resolution from a 1080p resolution by shifting the panels at 4x speed (the resolution 1080p being exactly 4x smaller than 4K). Theoretically 2K@120Hz could be possible but I don't think it's planned as 1440p resolution is less than half of 1080p resolution. It would require more work than a simple firmware and it should not be forgotten that the 1440p resolution is specific to PCs and therefore of little interest for video projector manufacturers.

Me, I think it's already not bad to have gone to 1080p (maybe thanks to optoma because they were lazy on their firmware for the UHD40 which only offered 3D for PC). I really had an impressive gain in image quality with the VP's ultra detail mode.

I have already tested Nvidia technology to improve sharpness. Is it an option that is activated via geforce experience with lots of filters offered ? Could you tell me what settings you use, story that I can compare ? I had tested at the time, it looked not bad but well below the ultradetail mode of the VP. I have since gone back to the 425.31 driver but with geo 11 I think I will go back to the 452.06 (not better because the results on the dx9 mode are not really conclusive for me)

I'm currently on an Optoma UHD42@3400 lumens and I find that the brightness is sufficient for 3D, not really need more. The 3D mode of the VP activates a kind of lightboost which boosts the brightness. More brightness would harm the contrast too much.

Finally as for the best VP for 3D, I don't know, I've never seen the X3000i in operation. The optoma UHD40/42 series are just fine (UHD42 being a brighter one).

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[RAGEdemon]

I have already tested Nvidia technology to improve sharpness. Is it an option that is activated via geforce experience with lots of filters offered ? Could you tell me what settings you use, story that I can compare ? I had tested at the time, it looked not bad but well below the ultradetail mode of the VP. I have since gone back to the 425.31 driver but with geo 11 I think I will go back to the 452.06 (not better because the results on the dx9 mode are not really conclusive for me)ighter one).

The filter used in GeForce Experience inside a game menu I believe only works in one eye.

The sharpening filter I am talking about is the top option in the "Manage 3D settings" tab. On 425 Set it to 1 (max), film grain 0 (min). Later drivers call it "image scaling". Some games might require it to be specifically set to "on" under the adjacent "program settings" tab.

Then be sure to set DSR smoothness to 0 and use 4x DSR. This works exceptionally well in all games - it's like an HD texture pack has been installed.

However, with geo-11, it will only work in one eye again - same as reshade - currently. Hopefully, this issue will be fixed sooner rather than later.

In VR geo-ll, Katanga (HelixVision's virtual screen) has its own sharpening filter which works in both eyes very well. It is set to 1.5 by default. I have set it to 4.0. changing this setting takes a bit of effort and obscure reading - let me know and I'll attach a reg key I created.

Thanks for the projector tips. It looks like I'll just wait perhaps another decade and hope things improve - in the meantime, VR geo-11 and 4x DSR + sharpening are 'good enough'.

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@D-Man:
You're right mate, however just a micro-correction:

1920x1080 = 2 million pixels
2560x1440 = 3.7 million pixels

It's about 85% more pixels.

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[ZeGURU69]

I have already tested Nvidia technology to improve sharpness. Is it an option that is activated via geforce experience with lots of filters offered ? Could you tell me what settings you use, story that I can compare ? I had tested at the time, it looked not bad but well below the ultradetail mode of the VP. I have since gone back to the 425.31 driver but with geo 11 I think I will go back to the 452.06 (not better because the results on the dx9 mode are not really conclusive for me)ighter one).

The filter used in GeForce Experience inside a game menu I believe only works in one eye.

The sharpening filter I am talking about is the top option in the "Manage 3D settings" tab. On 425 Set it to 1 (max), film grain 0 (min). Later drivers call it "image scaling". Some games might require it to be specifically set to "on" under the adjacent "program settings" tab.

Then be sure to set DSR smoothness to 0 and use 4x DSR. This works exceptionally well in all games - it's like an HD texture pack has been installed.

However, with geo-11, it will only work in one eye again - same as reshade - currently. Hopefully, this issue will be fixed sooner rather than later.

In VR geo-ll, Katanga (HelixVision's virtual screen) has its own sharpening filter which works in both eyes very well. It is set to 1.5 by default. I have set it to 4.0. changing this setting takes a bit of effort and obscure reading - let me know and I'll attach a reg key I created.

Thanks for the projector tips. It looks like I'll just wait perhaps another decade and hope things improve - in the meantime, VR geo-11 and 4x DSR + sharpening are 'good enough'.

There is no sharpness filter option on the 425.31, according to the internet they were integrated from 436.02 (unless it existed in another form?)

I already know the DSR option, I used it on my Benq W1070 in 720p. It was not bad but nothing to do with my VP in 1080p+Ultradetail. I no longer use it because the difference on my current VP is not very significant and it is not a free option (on the contrary it is very greedy and impossible to use on recent games). In addition you have to use a special EDID and the last time I used it, I had a problem, I could only see a quarter of the image on DSR@4K.

[RAGEdemon]

There is no sharpness filter option on the 425.31, according to the internet they were integrated from 436.02 (unless it existed in another form?)

Sorry, my memory failed me. Indeed, I used 446.14. At some point, they changed the name and sliders.

Alternatively, you can use reShade sharpening filters on any driver version.

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