Well,

I think it's clear...


Damned

Damn.

Even though the 9600M is not officialy supported a few people seem to have got it working, maybe try older drivers.

But if you can't get 3Dvision working you can still watch 3D video using Sview player: http://www.sview.ru/en

Actually I can watch it, but the eye side is always switching... then after 2min you only want to vomit with a big headache ^^ Is this software fixing this problem ? I don't think so because I still need the quad buffer...

Actually i feel a bit scammed because I bought this graphic card, the quad buffer is in it but I cannot use it because of some software "lock". it's like you buy a car and you have to pay some extra money to enable to electrical window to open it...

I will try this software with no real hope

I know how you feel, you might find this thread interesting:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... st20174467

I linked to my post about Sview, it has the best quad-buffer emulation I have found.

I hope it does the trick!

Thanks for the link and your explaination.

Indeed, no more eye swapping but there is some freeze. At some moment, it's almost like 2 frames / sec. At least you don't vomit after 5 min.

I've tried to set the PID priority at high but it didn't helped. I will try to adjust some settings of my computer in order to increase the speed.

I found something I'm going to try: http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stphmkr/help/opengl.htm

Will see if it work

Otherwise maybe a USB graphic card or something like that.

To prevent freezing in sview try disabling all power management in control panel (set to high performance, stop hard disk spin-down etc)

You can also try playing with the smooth filter and vsync settings in sview.

I'm affraid that soft-Quadro hacks do not work on new cards / drivers, it had been tried before, there is a thread on here about it.

I think your best chance is to try older drivers or maybe patch the inf files of new driver somehow with the 9600M hardware ID.

Hello,
Try to run enablestereo.bat by type it into cmd line instead of directly double clicking in it.
If it does works, create a shortcut and be aware that the "start in" field is full- filled and match the path of the batch file.
In example: if the target is "D:\Logiciels\3Dvision\enablestereo.bat", the start in path must be "D:\Logiciels\3Dvision" if not the virtual device will not be activated correctly.

Hi Guys ,
I'm NEW here but I found this very interesting and would like to know more.

I do NOT have a GeForce 3D card yet but I want to buy one as I have a Projector (HD66 3D compatible).

Can anyone tell me what I need to buy in order to use the USB emulator ?
What does this USB Emulator saves me from buying and what 3D Glasses should I get ?


Thank you all !
Every word is appreciated in my search for knowledge...


Dave

Hi Dave,

This emulator is only to enable the function in some locked graphic card. If you're going to buy it, look that the quad buffer function is available and you shouldn't need to do any special tricks to use it.

there is some nvidia quad-something.

3Dvision works on most Geforce 8 or newer cards but some low-end desktop and laptop cards are blocked:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision- ... ments.html

Don't buy a Quadro workstation card with OpenGL quad-buffer because they are very expensive and you don't need it.

For DLP projectors this emulator means you don't need to spend $200 on the 3Dvision kit (USB emitter & Nvidia 3D glasses)

You can use DLP-link type glasses instead, they are cheaper ($50) and look just as good:

http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/uldlpliwi3dg.html

http://www.amazon.com/Jet-Black-DLP-LIN ... 564&sr=1-6

http://www.amazon.com/3DTV-Window%C2%AE ... 36&sr=1-82

If you're not bothered about playing games or bluray then your current graphics card will probably be able to play 3D videos (side-by-side mkv files etc).

To do this you just need the DLP-link glasses and the free Sview video player, instructions here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... st20174467

btw, you can also enable 3D video on ATI/AMD HD5000 or HD6000 cards but you will need extra software to enable 3D for games (IZ3D or DDD TriDef).


I hope all that that makes sense!

This makes a LOT of sense !!

I am really NOT interested in games but only in playhing the MKV videos (side by side 3D).

So in that case - I have 2 questions :

1. Which software will do the "merging" of the side-by-side video ?
At the moment I use it on my Samsung 3D TV and I have a button on the remote (called 3D...obviously) who asks me what 3D movie I have and when I chose "side by side" - it merges them into one Video.
Is there a software that can do that , because my projector cannot...

2. Will I be able to use my Samsung 3D Glasses ? (2010 model so I beleive they are IR Emitter).

If not - what are the cheapest glasses I can get as I already spend over $600 on my Samsung 3D glasses...
Also - how will they be Synced - do I need to buy some Emitter or something like that ? how is that USB Emulator will help ?


THANKS again for everyone help ! You're great.

Also - forgot to mention - my Video Card is ATI FireGL V5700.
It's quite strong and I watch the MKV videos on it very smoothly... but it does not have any 3D capability.

Thanks again

Lucky you mentioned that, if you don't want to play games then your current card is fine! Because it's a workstation card it already supports OpenGL quad-buffer (this is what "merges" the two image into 3D). You can use Sview to play SBS mkvs and the new version of Stereoscopic player can even play 3D blurays.

Sadly there is no easy way to use your samsung glasses, technically it can be done but because your card doesn't have a VESA sync output you would need special sync extractor hardware which would be tricky to set up and probably cost more than the DLP link glasses anyway.

DLPlink glasses don't need an emitter, they sync straight of the screen from a hidden signal generated by the projector, the UltraClear DLP glasses are the cheapest I've found, I have several pairs and they work great.

If you want to test your card just set it to 120Hz and set the player software's output mode to OpenGL quad-buffer, when you play a SBS file if you see a blurry "double-image" then you are all set for 3D!

Well , that's great news !
If I need to buy a few more DLP Glasses - I guess that's worth it...

A few more "nooby" questions (and I apologize in advance for the super noobience... ):

1. I downloaded the SVideo and I can run the MKV movie on it , but how do I merge both sides to one ?
Do I only see it if I connect to the Projector ? because nothing changes on the computer...

2. How do I setup my card to 120Hz ?
If I see a blurry "double image" video - I'll be totally excited but the way is still long and never as simple as it should ....


Thanks again,

By the way - how will I connect the computer to the Projector ?
Why do you think my projector is generating a "hidden signal" ?? Is it because it's 3D Enabled ?

Well.... I actually found on the link from before about how to set Sview up... sorry for asking too fast.
I'll try it tonight and see.
First - I am going to buy some DLP Glasses... cannot try it without it...

Can I run a "Crazy" idea by you ?
Since I have the Projector and the Samsung 3D TV in the same rooom - what if I connect them both to the same movie source - the TV will sync with the Glasses but actually I will watch it on the Projector...
So both will be showing the same movie at the same time and I keep using my Samsung 3D glasses , that will be synced with the TV - while I watch it actually on the projector that will show the same thing...
Am I making any sense ??

With your FireGL card you want to get Sview to "OpenGL Hardware" not emulated, in Stereoscopic Player set the output to "Quad Buffered OpenGL" If you get an error try updaing your graphics drivers, you really want to use hardware quad-buffer because it works much better than emulation.

Set your projector to its native resolution and change the refresh rate to 120Hz in the ATI graphics contol panel, connect it with HDMI or DVI if you can. Your projector should have an option called "DLP 3D sync" or something similar, that needs to be on for the glasses to work, the image will look brighter when its on, but it will look normal through the glasses.

Your idea about using the 3DTV to activate the glasses would only work if both the graphics cards outputs were cloned and locked in perfect sync, but then you would need to output 120Hz to both devices and most 3DTV's don't support this mode, and if there was even a few ms difference in the internal image processing latency of each display you would get ghosting / eye-swapping problems. Nice try though!

The only way to use the Samsung glasses would be with an IR emitter like the SS / Gen2 connected to a sync extractor, VGA ones are quiet cheap:

http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/pcdongle.html

http://www.3dmagic.com/catalog/pc%20sync%20dongle.htm

http://www.amazon.com/Protocol-Gen2-Uni ... 339&sr=1-5

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Compatibl ... 876&sr=1-2

It's a long shot though, I'd just go with the DLPlink glasses.

Obviously I regestered on this forum to ask about this based on post counts and whatnot.

I've been trying for most of a couple days to get the emulator working properly. Everything seemed to install to my Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit system just fine. I'm running an 8800 GTS so it should be compatible. I've verified (and re-installed) the latest drivers from nVidia. (I've tried installing the controller drivers seprately as well.)

The device I get installed with an error is "Simulated USB HID Receiver device". I am not convinced it has gotten far enough to try loading the emulator at all, but I could easily be wrong. I've tried forcing the drivers, but the error I get is that the software driver is not compatible. (This is diectly selecting nvstusb.inf from the NVIDIA StereoUSB Driver folder created by launching the controller installation seperately from the display driver installation during a "Have Disk" override of preferred drivers.)

The device has all of the information in details, but I am not seeing anythng that screams out nVidia to me. I have not yet started searching the device VID and PID to verify what it should be seeing, but the system is pretty dang convinced that this is some kind of HID device.

I am in seek of ideas to help me get through this. As a programer I'm willing to go through the batches and scripts line by line to make sure they are right. I'm also willing to provide whatever details might help. As a former systems/network administrator I know how to do/have done basic resart/resintall troubleshooting. (As would most of the people on this board by now.)

Thanks for any help, I'd prefer ot to pay $150 for a usb device I don't truly need...

It sounds like a problem with DSF rather than the nvidia drivers, the DSF device stack must be in place and the emulator running before the nvidia USB driver will install. I'd uninstall DSF and all Nvidia drivers and start over. Check you are installing the right version of DSF (x86 or x64), run DriverSweeper and then remove any Nvidia / DSF ghost devices using the environmental variable:

DEVMGR_SHOW_NONPRESENT_DEVICES=1

I'd also install the Stereo USB driver separately (you must do this while the emulator is running) the installer is somewhere in the extracted C:\NVIDIA folder. The last few versions of the main nvidia installer package seem to have issues installing the USB driver but I don't think this was an intended counter-measure because a manual install still works. A few other suggestions:

- Disable UAC first (very important)
- Disable AntiVirus and Script blockers
- Run DSF installer and batch files as admin

Good luck!

Ok. Did the clean install withou UAC. I think the problem is with the actual dll. The device simulation Framework loads fine based on the init_x64.bat file. I killed the silent switch in the batch file so I could see it register, and it doesn't. I get the following message trying to run "regsvr32 /i "3d_x64.dll"":

The module "3d_x64.dll" was loaded but the entry-point DllInstall was not found.
Make sure that "3d_x64.dll" is a valid DLL or OCX file and then try again.


I am running Windows 7 Ultimate from my MSDN subscription (not that the source should matter) and am upgraded to SP1. 8Gb RAM and a Q6600 processor. 8800GTS for a video card. I have downloaded the zip file directly from the russian site. I have unblocked te dll specifically. The details of the dll show it to be "Software HID Reciever USB Device Si..." (Likely Simulator) witgh a product name of "WMC Test HID Receiver Device" and original filename of "SoftHIDReceiver.dll". It is verson 1.0.0.0 and 56.5 kB.

Does this seem to be the right file? If not, can someone post the right one up somewere for me? If so any other ideas?

That is the right file, the 3d.dll is just SoftHIDReceiver.dll patched with the emitters device IDs etc

If you want to check your file isn't corrupt the 3d_x64.dll file's MD5 should be: E5C798C7AE2507A02C2CE6866504AB19

What to you mean by "unblocked the dll specifically? In your Antivirus?

There could be a problem with regsvr on your system, maybe it's trying to use the 32bit version or something??

Running init_x64.bat through explorer should select the right version but try an elevated command prompt if you haven't yet.

Can you register / unregister C:\Program Files\dsf\GenericHID\SoftHidReceiver.dll ???

Check to see if the 32bit 3d.dll will register using 32bit regsvr from \windows\syswow64

Also try registering another different 64bit dll file, like a directshow codec or something...

Maybe I have the same problem. I tried register using /i and gives me error. Without /i it says registered. Before I was able to use the emulator but suddendly it stopped working... when I run enablestereo.bat (cscript enablestereo.wsf) it gives me in the command line the error "d:\1\enablestereo.wsf(53, 16) Microsoft VBScript Runtime Error: O
ActiveX component can't create object: 'DSF.DSF' I tried reinstalling all, including a fresh new win7 x64. But no luck. Any help ?? TKS

Maybe some recent windows update has caused the problem, have you installed IE9? Try resetting the zone security levels under the security tab in internet options, just hit "Reset all zones to default level". If that doesn't work set a custom level for each zone and under ActiveX set "Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe for scripting" to Enable.

Also check that DAO is registered ok: regsvr32 "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\DAO\DAO360.DLL" or maybe C:\Program Files(x86)\...

You could try editing enablestereo.bat to force it to use the right cscript version:

start C:\Windows\SysWOW64\cscript.exe enablestereo.wsf

OR

start C:\Windows\System32\cscript.exe enablestereo.wsf

Come to think of it maybe you could try the same thing with Regsvr in the init.bat? You might need to add the path to the wsf file?

I'm out of ideas now, there are some debug tools in the WDK but that's beyond me I'm affraid...

http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/de ... n&id=11800

Maybe you could use something like Dependency Walker to pin down the problem instead:

http://www.dependencywalker.com/


Good luck with it guys, let me know how you get on.

Just wanted to come back with an update.

I was going to try the ideas in the second response tonight but when I did my initial test it worked! I've had a couple of restarts since last tme I tried, so something must have finally just worked. I wish I had a better answer as to what I did to fix it for future people, but I really didn't do anything.

Now, to get my Optoma projector recognized as the Acer one, order a couple pairs of DLP Link glasses and enjoy!

"Have you tried turing it off and on again..."

Glad you're up and running!

I finally got the DLP Glasses and tried it yesterday... it didn't work good at all.
It was jumping on & off from 3D like it was not syncled or something.

I had few issues :

1. The "OpenGL Hardware" did NOT work as it said I don't have the hardware for it.
I used the "OpenGL Emulated - Agreessive" instead and that made the movie picture jump like crazy... not sure if that should be the case... ?

2. I could not chose 120hz - I chose the recommended resolution of 1280x 1024 , and in that resolution the max I could chose as refresh rate was 100hz...
To chose 120hz I had to lower t he resolion to something like 1024x768 ...
Which one should I use ??

Do you think I should update my ATI Drivers ?
I didn't install anything from ATI - just what came from Win7.
should I download the ATI drivers from their web site ?

3. You said "Set your projector to its native resolution" - how do I do that ?

4. You said :"option called "DLP 3D sync" - but it didn't... it had an option in the menu to chose "Enable 3D" but it was DISABLED... so I didn't do anything. I clicked on "ReSync" button on the remote but that did not fix anything...


5. Last question - I think that might be an issue but not sure. The way I connected my Laptop to the Projector...
I just used a VGA male - VGA male cable that I had from my old CRT Screen.
Both devices had a VGA output so it worked...
But is that good enough for this purpose or should I get a different Cable ?
My Laptop does have something else in the side - like DVI or something rectagular. Maybe I can get that ?
What do you think ?


I know... too many questions... but if you can help me - that would be AWESOME !
I'll be forever indebt to you...
I really wanted to impress my parents with that 3D movie on the projector...

Thanks again

Dave

I think all the ATI FireGL desktop workstation cards support quad-buffer, I'm not sure about laptops though,

you can try using the lastest driver from the ATI site, make sure you get the right one though. Exactly what model laptop is it?


You can use emulated mode to test, but I'd still try and get hardware QB to work if you can.

The picture will look blurry / shudder, but it will look 3D through the glasses, if they are synced...


Most DLP projectors have 1 native resolution (not scaled) but the H66 is a bit more complicated,

try 1280x800,1280x720, and 1024x768, pick the one that lets you go to 120Hz refresh rate.


Most DLP projectors will only allow you to enable 3D mode at 120Hz and at the native resolution, then you should then be able to Enable 3D sync.


I'm still using VGA myself, but you can try HDMI if you have that on your laptop, it should give a better picture but I doubt you'd notice.

BTW, if you get a stable image through the glasses but the 3D looks "wrong" then use the invert or swap left / right feature in the Sview to correct it.

Let me know how you get on...

hello ,im a bit desesperate,i got windows 7 64 bits (in french) and i got a lg 3d passive screen with a gts 450 nvidia video card.
i tryed to install the ir emulator but it looks like the emulator create a unknown device instead of the ir.
it is reconised as a hid devise.
USB\VID_045E&PID_0042&REV_4200 and USB\VID_045E&PID_0042
so yea it doesnt install nvidia driver ...
tryed to force install driver by messing the ini but after the instalation the device failed to start. (code10).
i seen there already a answer in the rusian site but the site is in maintenance so i cant access the page.
please help.

The DSF device stack has not installed properly, so the nvidia driver can't be loaded.

First remove the HID devices, uninstall DSF and then REBOOT.

DISABLE UAC then install DSF again (make sure you install the correct version x86 or x64) then REBOOT again.

Next run the correct init.bat as Admin, then install the USB driver by running NvIRUSB.exe from the C:\Nvidia folder.

If that doesn't work try the things I suggested before, removing ghost devices etc.

Good luck...

tryed but didnt changed a thing so i looked the problem more closely.
and i founded where was the prob.
dunno why the bat was starting the generic_hid script instead of stereoscopic one...(maybie it wasnt able to find the script)
just remplaced the generic-hid one in programfile with the stereoscopic one (renamed as generic_hid of course) with all dll and it fixed the problem.
edit: this crack is verry usefull because it enable 3dtvplay if you have a 3d tv with a set of glases not 3d vision compatible.
me im using a lg d2342-pn with passive glases and it works great!
the only problem is 3dtv play works only on limited resolution alowed by hdmi 1.4 and most models are not supported for the moment (my screen is not suported...)
but this driver work on most unsuported 3d tv model!
thx to nvidia forum where i founded it.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E3JJOE00

Finally I made my HD66 Optoma Projector play 3D movies !!
Thank you Nick3DvB !!

It's not perfect but it does show 3D...
I'm saying it's not perfect because sometimes the picture jumps a bit and I lose the 3D depth... but this might be a config issue. I did try playing with replaing right eye / left eye and with the INVERT Sync etc' , so I'm sure I'll get it perfectly.

It can also be the Hardware issue as I was not able to make it work on HARDWARE but only in Software Emulation and Agressive Software Emulation.
When I tried switching to QuadBuffer Hardware - it crashed with an error about INI API something...

I did install the API drivers for my laptop but nothing helped.
Maybe my laptop just doesn't support it.
I have a W500 IBM Lenevo Laptop - anyone have any idea ?
And do you think it will work better if I use Hardware instead of Software ? in what it will be better ?

Hi Dave, I'm glad to hear you got it working!

I checked on the AMD website and sadly not all FirePro / FireGL cards support hardware 3D:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cac ... m27wQsGRcA

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cac ... bemBB_ErJw

So you might be stuck with software mode I'm afraid. The problem you are having is known as eye-swapping, it is common in software mode, but you can use the swap / invert funtion in Sview (or in the projector) to correct it when it happens. You can also try Stereoscopic Player instead using its Software Quad-buffer output mode:

http://www.3dtv.at

Thanks , Nick.
I will try the Hardware 3D with my other comptuers - maybe it will work with one of them...

I did want to use the Sterefcopic software and besides the fact it's letting me view only for a few minutes ( I didn't buy it... no license ) - it does NOT play it in 3D at all... and also no SOUND ( says I need FFDshow ).
I tried playing with the configuration but nothing seemed to work...in terms of 3D . I don't care about sound right now.
But I did chose Side-By-Side (right first) - and in the viewing method I chose "Quad Buffer OpenGL"... the 3D glasses did not work at all...
Any idea ?

Also - to another issue all together... how would I connect the SOUND from the computer to the Receiver ?
The laptop has a regular headphone jack but that's it... it's only stereo so that would not give me a good quality of Sound...
I know that the MKV files I play have good sound quality but how would I connect it to the system ??
Any idea ... ?

Maybe, if you find out exactly what graphics chip each PC has then I can check for you.


Select "Software Page-flipping" output, cross your fingers, then switch to full-screen. It might work but many have had problems with it.


If your laptop has HDMI then connect that to the receiver, if not it might output SPDIF through the "headphone" socket, but its not likely.

Good luck!

thanks , again.
1. I did try the 3D hardware on all my laptops - all have failed...
Is there any software like SView for MAC ? I can try there...

2. when I switched to "full screen unscaled" - it crashed...
I'll try again today , but it's not looking good...

3. I connected the SPDIF output from my Laptop Docking station to my Reciever AC3 RF Signal input and also the COAXIAL - and both gave nothing... not a sound...
Any other way I can output the MKV sound to 5 channels ?

Then you are stuck with software mode, unless any of these laptops have ATI HD5000 or Nvidia geforce 8 or later graphics...

You can try Bino, but I don't think it supports DLPlink glasses?

http://bino.nongnu.org/download.html

Try full screen scaled?


Use the SPDIF on the dock, and make sure windows and sView are both configured to output to the SPDIF.

Also when you installed sView you must tick the "OpenAL" box.

Thanks , Nick.
It was hard but I made it ... all thanks to you !
In sView when I chose SPDIF output in "OpenAL DEVICE" it did not work initally - but when I closed it and opened again - it did work !
I had to put my received in COAXIAL model CD player - and not LD AC3 RF mode - and then it worked !!
I heard that the sound would be only stereo but when I chose in sView AUDIO tab --> AC3 5.1 Channles sound --> it worked well in all the speakers !

so - though I am stll using software 3D and not hardware - it still works good - most of the time , and the sound is GREAT.

It's just an AMAZING exprience to watch my wall become 3D and get such DEPTH - it's un-freaking-belieavable...
I've watched AVATAR and it's just amazing how my room become ALIVE and my boring white wall get to be 10 feet deep... it's just so BIG that it looks as if it's REAL ... just there...

MUCH BETTER than the 3D 55" TV - EVEN better than the IMAX CINEMA !
It was all worth it !!

Thank you again for everything !! and now , I have some movies to watch...

* PS : since I really love it - I may just buy a Desktop computer with a strong 3D card that will have Hardware 3D.
I'll just leave it there in the closet as my MEDIA SERVER. I actually have a couple of old desktop (P4) that I'm sure I can find some PCI cards for them that have 3D Hardware.
My question - is it really going to be worth it ?
At the moment - it does have some glitches sometimes but most of the times - it works GREAT !
What do you think ?
Also - what 3D movies do you recommend to see ? the best ones .. ?

Most of the IMAX documentaries are pretty good. I liked Galapagos 3D.

Ok , you said you can check Video Cards for me about if they have Hardware 3D ...
So I found one that will work on my P4 Desktop (It only have AGP so I couldn't get a PCI-Express card like most cards today ).
It's Sapphire ATI Radeon HD3450 512 MB DDR2 AGP Video Card.
I chose him because it has HDMI output.
What do you think ? should I buy it ? will it work better than my Laptop ?
I already bought a 7 channels Sound Card so I think I'll be good in terms of sound by connecting it to this Desktop and Optic cable from it to the reciever.
But with a HDMI video card - it should be perfect...
What say you ?