CRTs are not crosstalk-free, they are in the last third of the list in relation to ghosting. Maybe if FED (SED is dead) were using P43 phosphors the situation could be better, but CRTs were mostly using P22 phosphors and they exhibited quite a lot of ghosting with green and blue colors. I hope they are going to choose the right type of phosphors if they intend to produce 3D FED displays.

AFAIK, P43 is a monochrome yellow-green phosphor, there are some drawbacks in using it with actual TV displays.

At least, if there are any such problems with FEDs (which we don't know), they seem to be minor and solvable - unlike 120 Hz LCDs as it seems.

bros you want LED DLP + rear projection. 720p is enough with DLP. It's the best 720p there is. ^^

And theres cheap pol. preserving rp fabric too, noone stops you if you want time parallel.

The P22 phosphors are apparently good enough for blue and very good for red, hence the "Red eye" shutterglasses method. The P43 phosphors would be used for green since they have a fast decay time, a lot better than the P22 green. Even if P43 is a bit yellowish and the P22 offer deeper green, the P43 is what is used for green in the Electrohome 8500 projectors for CAVE systems.

I don't know which type of phosphors they are currently using for FED displays or if they've even settled on one particular type, but they've already tried P22 in the past for at least one prototype :
http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/2 ... 410958.php

Anyway, before they find a solution to the ghosting problem I'd like them to show us that it's not vaporware like the SED.

Hey, you guys are forgetting about HMDs. They have literally *NO* ghosting. 0%. Nothing else can touch that.

But seriously, you guys can't live in the past. I don't know about you, but I certainly am not interested in gaming for the rest of my life on some antique vintage computer monitor. I mean, that setup might even give slightly better image quality than some modern solutions, but not by much. Certainly not by enough to completely write-off current gen tech. Just get something now that is of acceptable quality, and upgrade whenever that next thing comes out (in 2-3 years, or whatever). If any major advancements were coming this year I assume they would have been shown at CES. So you want to wait another year to maybe hope something new comes out? Can't live like that, you'll never buy anything. Gotta stick with the times. For me, this Planar looks of acceptable quality. Not perfect, but better than the other options on the market. And thats good enough for me.

cybereality, will you be going the 3 screen route? The 3 screen arrangements are really quite killer if you ask me.

cheers everyone

Vintage is quite a relative thing, you could also say that shutter glasses are vintage since their core technology hasn't changed much since the eighties.

The only advantage LCD has over other technologies is that it allows small display surfaces and quite thin displays, but considering image quality it's the worse technology available, be it in 2D or in 3D.

FED requires a lot less power than a LCD system, the 36" prototype from Sony consumed only 14W on bright scenes where LCD screens of similar size consume more than 100W. Other advantages of SED displays (which are inherited from CRTs) are high contrast ratios (20,000:1 vs 950:1 for the Planar), deep blacks (<0.01cd/m2 vs 0.28 cd/m2 for the Planar), wide viewing angles and very fast response times (<1ms vs 2ms for the Planar). I wouldn't call it a technology of the past.

Sure, it'll take time (if it goes out at all) and LCD monitors are still the only solution if you don't have enough space on your desk. But it has been announced last november that AU Optronics will begin volume production in Q4 2011 for 20", 26" and 32" FED panels for broadcast and medical purposes mainly, so we'll see : http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTPU00177420091022

panasonic priced their 42" ish rebadged plasma TV ~ 2800 dollars, unnlikely 30+ LCD will be much cheaper, plus they talk about improved motion resolution that means hold time is less than 4 mS.

Please show me a 24" FED (or SED or whatever) 3D PC monitor I can buy today for $500... Otherwise this is just vaporware. We might as well be talking about holographic projection. I mean, if FED was so great quality why would Sony abandon it and sell their patents to AUO? Clearly there is some reason it is not market viable. Maybe its too expensive, I don't know. Seems AUO is saying they might have professional level units for sale in 2012. How much longer would we have to wait for a consumer-level mass-produced product that could be sold for $500? This stuff is years away, if it ever even materializes. I don't see how this is relevant to a product that is available today. Imagine if this were a review of the Nvidia GTX 580. Then someone comes in and says: "No, the GTX 580 sucks. I hear rumors that Nvidia will bring out a GTX 880 in 2013 that will blow this away. You can get 325fps in Crysis while running Nvidia 3D Vision Surround." That might even happen, but it has no relevance whatsoever on the market today.

I tend to agree with the sentiment. I am looking for a good 3D monitor too (I love my IZ3D for what it is, and with them going for under $130 on eBay, it might be worth it to people new to 3D!), but this Planar is looking pretty great.

I know that I could use some old CRT, but then I have a giant box on my desk with iffy driver support. Why do that when I can have a large screened, bright, quiet (CRTs do put out some high pitched noise) and well supported monitor that actually fits on my desk? If I were to have a big giant box, I would make a DIY Planar setup with a half mirror and 2 monitors, since that is better quality than either of the above solutions.

I like HMDs, but I need a monitor, too. I want a projector or a large DLP TV, as well, but nowhere to put it.

I found a new high tech, dark finish rear projection material. Supposed to be retroreflective, high tech lens stuff.

A 55" inch RP screen should be 6 times as bright than 100" white...


Im convinced about the short term future, the best you can do is RP screen plus DLP. Slim displays suck. HMD is no comfy , obsolete tech, sucks. But this thing is so flexible, its hard to put into words. You can project INTO the room from outside for example.

DLP light engine should be, and can be rebuilt with better light blocking inside.

Yeah, DLP is great quality. No one is debating that. The problem is that they do not make 24" DLP computer monitors that you can put on your desk.

I think you can manage the desk thing with RP screen and mirror. It rejects ambient light. Quality with good screen will be very very good and very bright .

google for 3M vikuiti projection screen. Smokin screen rejects ambient light better than an LCD TV. It's time for this tech for the masses along with good DLP picoprojection 3d. This is the future. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EOw5sEF2Mk&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw0fM5L-844&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXs1KQKi6ss&feature=related[/youtube]

In the last video, how does that work? Is that some special type of glass? How is it that the image is opaque? I don't get it.

The third Is just a foil over that acrylic sheet. Might be some noname RP foil.

In particular the 3m vikuiti material is interesting, that's high tech: its microlens suspended in black filling material and uber expensive.

Recently in autostereo displays I saw they used it again and its said to be the best consumer autostereo attempt yet .

It's not entirely opaque. The Da-Lite virtual black material is black as well (besides polarization preserving). It's like a black rubbercloth and when shining light on one side the image is also visible/emitted off the other. It's actually easier to understand that dark surfaces works as rp-screens than transparent ones. You need to add some kind of structure (fresnels etc) that absorbs the light and emitts it from the surface. Imagine projection on a pure glassplate to understand the principle. Nonethless interesting!

That rear projection set-up is interesting. It appears to suffer from the same projector solution problems: hot spot, low contrast, very low black levels. Don't get me wrong its nice looking technology. But far from current high end plasma imaging. I know its hard to show diplay tech without actually being their. I just don't see it as a step forward. Maybe I'm missing something?

cheers everyone

none of that applies to 3M vikuiti, just some of those videos were noname screens . Yes polarization preserving RP screens are getting very very cheap also, if you want time parallel...
If you have projectors , why not have many screens, well , yeah.
http://tinyurl.com/6g5br7o

the da lite high power is very high quality glass beaded FP screen with 10 uM spheres. This must be better.

...and rejects ambient light better than an lcd tv!!!