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Petrus
Two Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:50 pm Posts: 80 Location: France
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I bought an Xpand X101 shutterglasses but to use it, I needed to figure out how the glasses synchronize with the projector. As you may already know, the Xpand X101 use an infrared encoded communication. I don't have access to an Xpand emitter,so I needed to record the Infrared pulses on an Xpand equipped cinema. I cant bring my oscilloscope to the cinema so I build a circuit that measure the pulse timings and send them on an MP3 audio recorder using the serial output of an Atmega8 microcontroller :  To read the data, I just have to plug the PC serial port on the comparator output and play the recorded MP3. The IR pulses can be interpreted as binary code :  The code that activate the glasses isn't send at every frame. It is send periodically, always after a Ron-Loff command. I don't know the original frequency but it's not important as the glasses only need it once to activate after a communication loss. I personally send the code every 100ms to get a fast recovery after a communication loss. I've also made a program to find the code by brute force it (try every combination) but my pair of X101 seems to activate whatever the code so it was not very useful.
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| Tue May 04, 2010 12:29 pm |
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Fredz
Golden Eyed Wiseman! (or woman!)
Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:06 pm Posts: 1897 Location: Perpignan, France
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Petrus wrote: I personally send the code every 100ms to get a fast recovery after a communication loss.
I've also made a program to find the code by brute force it (try every combination) but my pair of X101 seems to activate whatever the code so it was not very useful. Nice work, what did you use to send the signal to the glasses btw ?
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| Tue May 04, 2010 3:30 pm |
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cybereality
3D Angel Eyes (Moderator)
Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:18 pm Posts: 10022
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Very cool. If I were rich I would hire you to be my personal hacker!
So what are you going to use this for?
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| Tue May 04, 2010 6:14 pm |
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Petrus
Two Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:50 pm Posts: 80 Location: France
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I used the timings to program my home-made universal emitter and thus making it compatible with Xpand X101 glasses. I will do an other topic about it.
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Okta
Golden Eyed Wiseman! (or woman!)
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:22 am Posts: 1411
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Awesomeness man. Now you just need to work out how to read DX info and make emmitters for frame sequential Iz3d drivers and non nvidia glasses!
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| Fri May 07, 2010 8:40 am |
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Petrus
Two Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:50 pm Posts: 80 Location: France
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Sorry but this is beyond the limits of my genius. I know electronics and microcontrollers, but I almost don't have any knowledge in computer programming.
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| Fri May 07, 2010 12:10 pm |
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DthMKhtD
One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Mon May 24, 2010 8:27 am Posts: 1
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@Petrus good job really!! Can you send me some code/driver you wrote for the emitter, please?
Thanks very much!
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| Mon May 24, 2010 8:30 am |
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Petrus
Two Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:50 pm Posts: 80 Location: France
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All the code and schematic are already here : viewtopic.php?f=26&t=10183
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| Mon May 24, 2010 8:43 am |
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linusoon
One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:20 pm Posts: 1
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Great man ! One question I have. I found xp_code is 0x0 in your code, but 0x0814 in Xpand_X101_ir_pulses. So what is the difference?
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| Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:39 pm |
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Petrus
Two Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:50 pm Posts: 80 Location: France
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The X101 I bought seems to work whatever the code is, so I put 0x0 and it works fine with it. The code 0x0814 on the picture is just an example to show how the code is transmitted.
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| Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:55 am |
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Petrus
Two Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:50 pm Posts: 80 Location: France
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I've made some photos of the inside of an Xpand X101 shutterglasses:  And the most important, the electronics :  I opened it to see how the Pi-cell LCD shutters are driven and if I can improve it. The contrast is quite low on those glasses I estimated it at 150:1. More to come soon.
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| Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:59 pm |
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Petrus
Two Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:50 pm Posts: 80 Location: France
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So this is how the Pi-cell LCD are driven on the Xpand X101: Voltage across the LCD :  Voltage on one terminal and the battery negative as the GND :  To get 14V across the LCD, the electronics put the first terminal to a -11V potential and the other to the battery voltage.
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lish
One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:16 am Posts: 31
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Petrus wrote: So this is how the Pi-cell LCD are driven on the Xpand X101: Voltage across the LCD :  Voltage on one terminal and the battery negative as the GND :  To get 14V across the LCD, the electronics put the first terminal to a -11V potential and the other to the battery voltage. The advantage of OCB shutter is the fast response time, the contrast ration is lower than others. And it switch to dark at a high voltage such as 14V as you mentioned( so far as I know, some OCB shutter need higher than 20V to get a more black backgroud), and 3.3V to get bright transmittance. The color of the shutter is blue or little green when no voltage on it. Hope it is usefull for you.
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| Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:34 am |
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Petrus
Two Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:50 pm Posts: 80 Location: France
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I tried to elevate the voltage to get more contrast, but with a higher voltage the angle of vision is reduced.
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tritosine5G
Terrif-eying the Ladies!
Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:35 am Posts: 893 Location: As far from Hold Display guys as possible!!! ^2
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So PI CELL = OCB ? Wow.
Toshiba made OCB shutter with 5000:1 extinction, also Sony shutter supposed to be pi-cell with 5000:1 and sub 2ms restart time.
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lish
One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:16 am Posts: 31
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tritosine wrote: So PI CELL = OCB ? Wow.
Toshiba made OCB shutter with 5000:1 extinction, also Sony shutter supposed to be pi-cell with 5000:1 and sub 2ms restart time.  yes, Pi cell means OCB technology I have discussed the OCB technology with some guys from toshiba, it seems their 5000:1 contrast base on a different test method. but anyway, Toshiba masted the best OCB technology in the world
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