More good news. I tried normal wired shutterglasses on the crt and they work fine. I tried the wired AnotherEye glasses. The nvidia emitter is connected to allow the shutterglasses setting. They also work at 60HZ.

Haha! This is the first confirmation I've seen ANYWHERE that the Nvidia stereo driver actually works with SoftTH. Thanks a bunch, Doctor!

Indeed this news is good, so where is these wired glassed plugged into, it's own emitter base which in turn plugged into its own dongle? Tks for working on these tests. Really appreciated it.

Yes, old-school vga dongle. Crt monitor plugged into vga dongle, dongle connected to video card via dvi adapter and shutterglasses plugged into dongle.

this just gets better and better. I am getting high hopes now that I can use my dlp projector with my edims and nvidia glasses. can it be real?

The_Doctor: More good news. I tried normal wired shutterglasses on the crt and they work fine. I tried the wired AnotherEye glasses. The nvidia emitter is connected to allow the shutterglasses setting. They also work at 60HZ.

In order for the projector setup to work the L/R pageflip needs to be switched. From what Doc shared this can be done by using the Anothereye dongle which allows you to switch the pageflip. The only other option is to rewire your glasses, which also is fairly easy.

I am hoping Nvidia has embedded in their driver a way to switch it through the software. Otherwise how would the DepthQ 3D projector work with it, which they say they support?

Hey Doc, is there any option in the new Nvidia Stereo Control Panel to switch L/R?

I have recieved my Nvidia 3d/ Samsung 2233 120hz LCD monitor package yesterday from CompUSA and tested it on several games. Just wanted to get in a quick feedback to the conversation. So far I would give the package about a A minus. Once you make convergence adjustments the stereo is great
on Fallout and Tomb Raider Underworld. Need for Speed is awesome but has flicker now and then (runs at a surprisingly low frame rate even without stereo however so that may contribute). All of these games are rated excellent for S3d on Nvidia's game list.

I am surprised how poor the S3d is set at when you first start up an officially supported S3d game however. Most seem to be set with zero to negative convergence and to me look terrible until you tweak them. After tweaking they are fine however. I just mention this because this seems to fly in the face of the out of the box experience Nvidia is apparently trying to achieve. Newbies may not even know that they can adjust anything but depth with the turn wheel on the transmitter and will miss out on a great experience.

That said the only other problems I am having are figuring out how to have the adjustments I make to a game stick the next time I restart. There is a save function (F7) but it seems to work hit or miss and I end up having to make adjustments each time I start a game. That may be something I am doing.. need to experiment more. It seems to me I remember this problem with Nvidia stereo drivers before.

As far as quality of the s3d on the 120hz Samsung; once set properly there is very minimal ghosting, A few bright lights in Fallout seemed to ghost at first but after adjusting settings it seems to be a non issue now. The Samsung LCD seems very high quality; crisp, vivid color. There is one caveat. If you look at the pictures they have on the ordering site they show a monitor with two inputs, one VGA and the other DVI... Well forget the VGA connection.. It is not there on the Samsung's they are shipping. That was a bit of a disappointment considering I expected to hook up an Xbox to that.

That's it for a quick and dirty early report. All in all I am very satisfied and happy to be back with S3d after a few years without.

The reversing can be solved, it has been done before. I reversed them from the glasses device that is attached to the wire. The x3d glasses can be reversed from software (they have a mini control panel) and I think edim has the same.

The nvidia control panel doesn't have the option, maybe it exists on a certain key combination.

Thanks very much for continuing to experiment Doc. This may be a daft question, but when you reversed the page flipping with the wired non-nvidia glasses device, did it reverse the 3D for both the wired glasses and the nVidia glasses?
Cheers,
DD

Anyway, I'd like to know if anyone else is experiencing ghosting issues with this kit and/or monitor. Are there combinations of hardware that might fix this problem...different glasses, different monitor, or what? I really can't take much more of this ... for 600 + the amt I spent to get a computer ready to play these games, I expect working hardware.

Figure I'll post here first instead of creating another thread.

I received the Samsung monitor + glasses bundle on Wednesday. I've been trying to get this game to work properly with Mirror's edge for a while as well as other games.

The major problem I'm encountering is that there is serious ghosting....or at least, serious to a newbie like me. It's especially pronounced in white areas and makes it really hard to focus on the scene in question.

I'm not entirely sure whether it's the monitor or the glasses that's causing the problem, but I'm starting to suspect the glasses. If the glasses are on, and you hold down the power button, it appears to test one or both of the lenses by activating the lens and holding it. When a lens is on like this, I can look through the lens and see that the image on the screen is still visible. Actually, what's happening is that only the part of the lens which i'm looking straight into is blocking the light ... the rest of the lens is just very, but not perfectly opaque. It's almost as if the curvature of the lens means only the part that's right between my eye and the screen can block light decently. On the other hand, maybe it's the monitor too. Who knows? It's hard to tell, and there's no 3d screenshot function for me to test with either.

Anyway, I'd like to know if anyone else is experiencing ghosting issues with this kit and/or monitor. Are there combinations of hardware that might fix this problem...different glasses, different monitor, or what? I really can't take much more of this ... for 600 + the amt I spent to get a computer ready to play these games, I expect working hardware.

Figure I'll post here first instead of creating another thread.

I received the Samsung monitor + glasses bundle on Wednesday. I've been trying to get this game to work properly with Mirror's edge for a while as well as other games.

The major problem I'm encountering is that there is serious ghosting....or at least, serious to a newbie like me. It's especially pronounced in white areas and makes it really hard to focus on the scene in question.

I'm not entirely sure whether it's the monitor or the glasses that's causing the problem, but I'm starting to suspect the glasses. If the glasses are on, and you hold down the power button, it appears to test one or both of the lenses by activating the lens and holding it. When a lens is on like this, I can look through the lens and see that the image on the screen is still visible. Actually, what's happening is that only the part of the lens which i'm looking straight into is blocking the light ... the rest of the lens is just very, but not perfectly opaque. It's almost as if the curvature of the lens means only the part that's right between my eye and the screen can block light decently. On the other hand, maybe it's the monitor too. Who knows? It's hard to tell, and there's no 3d screenshot function for me to test with either.

Anyway, I'd like to know if anyone else is experiencing ghosting issues with this kit and/or monitor. Are there combinations of hardware that might fix this problem...different glasses, different monitor, or what? I really can't take much more of this ... for 600 + the amt I spent to get a computer ready to play these games, I expect working hardware.

for 600 + the amt I spent to get a computer ready to play these games, I expect working hardware.

@edgoll - Can you somehow set the brightness from the nvidia control panel for inside games? There are "Adjust desktop color settings" and "Adjust video color settings", neither affects the brightness inside the games. In XP changing setting in the desktop color settings affected the games. Maybe somebody else more familiar with vista knows how to do that?

OK, so help out a newbie here.

1. For those of you with the kit: Are you seeing the same thing that I'm seeing with respect to the glasses? Namely, only perfect blocking in the center of the lens, in a vertical band. Rest of the lens is leaking the image. You can test this by just holding the power button for a few seconds at a time while in stereoscopic mode in any game.

2. Second, for anyone with shutter glasses in general, should I be expecting what I'm seeing with the nVidia glasses? Or is that a defect?

Doc, in Mirror's Edge, I see serious ghosting when just looking at buildings against the backdrop of the sky. It's very obvious. The black on white titling at the end of the Katana demo movie is also very tough to focus on with the ghosting of the text.

Like others in this thread, I cannot adjust the settings of the monitor in 3D mode. I'm guessing it maxes out the brightness and other settings automatically to compensate for the shutter loss in brightness.

I've already learned how to play with the convergence settings and have used that to fix many games (for some reason the default settings of most games puts the scene too close to the eyes and over the 2D hud elements). The ghosting I'm complaining about isn't the same thing.

Hey edgoll, here's a a picture I snapped through the lens while using the power button on the glasses to black out the lens.

So, just to confirm, you can't see at all through the lens when it's shuttered? Because I definitely can.

I've been using this "adjust desktop color settings" under XP, and since yesterday, under Vista and it works in games for both OSes. (I use IZ3D/interlace for S3D, though I don't think that should matter). The "adjust video color settings" should not work for in game since it's for video.
EDIT: May not applicable for 3D vision kit, according to people here who has the kit.

Thanks very much for continuing to experiment Doc. This may be a daft question, but when you reversed the page flipping with the wired non-nvidia glasses device, did it reverse the 3D for both the wired glasses and the nVidia glasses?
Cheers,
DD

Doesn't work for me at all, but it wasn't an xp upgrade, it was straight vista. It used to work in xp, so maybe that's why it works for you. The changes don't affect anything in game, not even without stereo, it goes back to default and then back to whatever I set on the desktop only. If the game has a brightness setting, that works, but not all do.

Sometimes I want to just make it 5-10% brighter that's why I am asking.

Hi,

I've been lurking around the stereo 3d community, on and off, for a while hoping that something would come out at a reasonable price. My ideal would be a eMagin style HDM with, at least, 1024x768 resolution but, barring that, I've been following the nVidia 3D Vision stuff. $200 is, definitely, a lot more expensive that the previous generation of shutter glasses, but the features (wireless, direct convergence control on the pyramid, etc.) and reviews seem to suggest that these are higher quality which tends to mitigate the price for me. Of course, It all ceases to be affordable when you have to buy a new 22" monitor for $400 - ~$500 or DLP TV/Projector for $1000+. This was, especially, grating for me as I had just purchase a new 28" monitor a few months ago which I see no reason to replace, much less with a smaller 22" one.

My solution was to purchase a used IBM P275 on ebay for ~$65. It may be smaller than my main monitor, but it was much cheaper than the officially recommended monitors and should be able to put out at least 100-120hz at 1280x1024. For a combined price of about $265 I can give the tech a try and also have a secondary monitor (my 28" also doubles as my TV in my studio apartment). Any used monitor from the last generation of high-end CRTs should work just as well. The only problem I'm having is getting access to refresh rate settings over 100hz in Vista. It seems either Vista or the nVdia drivers are locked at 100hz. I've found some references on Google to the possibility of editing some nVidia driver files to open up access but haven't found all the details yet.

Thanks to you guys in this thread, I now have another option as well. Once the CRT has allowed me to install the drivers, I'll be able to try the shutter glasses on my, much larger, 28". It can't do 100hz+, but it can do up to ~85hz and I've never been very sensitive to low refresh rate displays so I may not have problems using it.

Again, thanks for the info about the shutter glasses as well as about getting them to work with <100hz monitors. If anyone happens to know how to open up higher refresh rates in Vista, I'd appreciate any help.

-Colecoman1982

You can check the refresh rate at any time from the OSD menu of the monitor.