The good news is that the 3D Vision package I ordered arrived this morning. The bad news is that the setup wizard says my "8800 GTS graphics card is not compatible with the GeForce 3D vision". WTF? It says 8800 GTS being compatible on its system requirements, could it be because mine being 640MB version? The 8800GTS 640MB is not listed but who the hell would think it has to be matching down to each digit? I like the touch and feel of the product, well packaged, very nice design compared to LCD shutterglasses of the past. I'd really feel bad if I've got to return this thing. Anyone runs into this problem already?

EDIT: I reinstalled Vista clean and the kit works. Took a while and I didn't have much time left, only tried one game: The Witcher EE, the weird thing is when turning on AA in game, 3D Vision glasses does not work (ie see both images, resulting in a blurred picture) but the I-Art shutterLCD works (with its own emitter). Both glasses tested concurrently. Turned, AA off and boom, 3D Vision glasses engaged in S3D and of course the I-Art glasses are also.

EDIT2: Tomb Raider: Underworld looks incredible with 3D Vision. I played it with Nvidia stereo/I-Art under XP before but 3D Vision glasses gives it a significant extension on bright and full color saturation. (Also water now looks realistic, both over and under, with the new Forceware/Stereo driver pair 181.20 downloaded from the Nvidia 3D Vision homepage).


I miss the IZ3D effective controls of convergence/divergence and the 3 presets. If IZ3D comes out with the pageflip in the future I'll still purchase that output. Hopefully between the two drivers, all the games will be covered.

Hi Rkuo, Looking at your screenshots i see one thing that may be causing the difference between your experience and others (or at least mine). This may come down to preference on how you set up convergence but to me the best s3d is when the distant objects have zero offset and the close ones have maybe an inch. Your screenshot seems to show the same or greater convergence( separation) on distant buildings as for close objects. On my screen with my settings those objects would have no separation therefore no ghosting. The closer objects tend not to be up against light sky therefore it is much less apparent.

I would be interested in other opinions on the convergence setup as it seems all the Nvidia out of the box settings are set for the same (or even negative convergence up close) across the range from close to far. That seems wrong to me. All I know is in the real world when I hold my finger up in front of my face and close one eye and then the other the offset is large. When I move my finger to infinity (nice trick I know) i have zero offset. That is the way I like my s3d and it also seems to reduce ghosting effects.

edgoll, I noticed you use sli. Can you do some tests with sli on and off and measure with fraps what the difference is?

Doc, I am also not sure whether and how Sli is handled by the stereo drivers. On two tests I made I got wierd results.

Fallout 3..
SLi off I get 46 fps stereo off, 29 with it on
Sli on I get 49 fps stereo off, crash to desktop with it on

Call of Duty World at War..
Sli off I get 64 fps w stereo off, 47 with it on
Sli on, I get 70 fps w stereo off, 35 with it on? lower than with no SLI??

Ill keep testing but I am skeptical so far of whether Sli really works w SLI and stereo. That would be quite a shame since the frame rate hit from Stereo would make functioning SLi nice to have.

Ok, I think that means sli support is not working. Maybe after more driver updates it will get better but considering it doesn't work very good for non-stereo stuff I don't think I'll ever work right.

Excellent, this will be the real thing.

I too bit the bullet and ordered a pair. I will be testing with my Benq mp721 to see if I can get them working. I also have Edim glasses which I hope I can somehow get working in tandem with the Nvidia glasses. Cross your fingers (and your eyes!). I hope I dont check this forum while waiting for them to arrive only to discover they dont work!

I also changed my avatar!!! HAPPY??!??!

I used to have it at a much lower separation. Doesn't really make much of a difference ... I just see the ghosting overlapping other objects and obscuring my ability to focus. Anyway, the consensus seems to be that I have a defective pair of glasses, which I certainly hope is the case. Going to work on an exchange today.

The default convergence for every game I've tried is wrong. I generally need to move the scene behind the monitor, otherwise any 2d elements become visually impossible and/or I go crosseyed or confused from trying to focus on eyes on something that shouldn't be that close to my face.

The settings sgould not matter. It just should not be ghosting for such a new expesnive product.

I have been able to replicate this and have my own idea's. I have also tracked this down to the color of white and and light sources. In left 4 dead this happens on certain areas

The crazy thing i have found a solution , change the current resolution and the effect will go away then you can change back to your preferred resolution. What happens to me is that the left eye data gets over staurated with brightness adjustment that screams like its bleeding white.

Please close one of the eyes and confirm this is only happening to 1 side for the 3d effect then let me know if changing resolution while in game fixes it.

this is a crazy bug that has hit a couple games but is very inconsistent.

Not at my comp but I can definitely tell you I see image from one eye leaking to the other eye in both eyes. It's sometimes not as obvious in one eye b/c the ghosting effect to one side may fall in an area that is less pronounced or obvious when looking through the other eye.

Apologies, people for my part in this latest "flame war."

It seems every forum I ever join has at least one member who always wants to pick a fight...

...and, having been through this many times before, I suppose I tend, these days, to "bristle" (early and often) at the first sign of confrontation.

Hope it didn't ruin anyone's evening.


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Gametrailers review/promotion - for geforce 3d glasses
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44765.html
Everything is explained "for dummies" in the review, which is great, considering that this site is visited by a vast majority of 2d gamers, which don't really knoa anything about the existence of 3d as a possibility.

I have a question, some of you have said that the new 3d glasses from nvidia used together with the sams 120hz monitor deliver less ghosting than a crt +edimensionals/elsa. Has anyone actually compared the effect from the new glases on a crt with the effect of the edimensionals on a crt ( and yes I do realise that you have to have two systems - one with the new drivers and an older one).
I'm interested in how much nvidia have lifted their fingers to improve a tech that has been there or quite a while now, and how much they are using "the time is right" moment to copy and paste a "new" solution now that they can, given the 120hz lcds are finally to be released. (sorry for the sarcasm, but if I say that I have nothing against Nvidia it would be a lie, most of the 3d gamers will understand my feelings, connected with the sudden lack of driver support a few years back)

I Just found out some info about European release time:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... 7&Itemid=1

March '09 they say...

I miss read what he wrote this is a separate issue that i have come across and would like some other users to check out.

This is not a samsung or glasses issue its a software issue, you all know how 3D works good old left or right but the left side go in and out of SUPER saturated brightness which i can move my character and the effect goes away, then i move the character back to the same spot and it comes back.

I will do this through certain parts of the map in left 4 dead esp. Harvest Blood (last chapter to choose) it feels like your being brain washed because it goes on and off. not quickly either like a flicker but a steady on and off (depends on what is on screen and where I can standing (seems to be bright colors and light sources that trigger it)

Right side normal brightness, left side hurting. The way I got around this is to change the resolution in game and it goes away then i switch it back to the res i was working with. this fixes it but its very annoying, it doesn't come back either but if i didn't try changing resolutions to fix the issue i would be reloading 50% of the games because i would have to quit then come back instead of a ingame resolution change

This has only happened in left 4 dead

With the new drivers and nvidia shutterglasses vs another eye shutterglasses on a crt there is zero difference in ghosting.

The lcd monitor must make the difference. I must revise my original estimation to 60-70% of crt ghosting on the lcd versus old crt. So still there.

Reinstalled video drivers and the color adjustments now work in game as well and not only on the desktop.

Thanks for the quick reply It's weird that a lcd, which is brighter and with a higher response time actually than a crt gives less ghosting than one.

Maybe my crt is too crappy, might have different result on a very good quality crt.

I have a question...... could I use my Samsung ssg1000(tri-def) shutters and emitter (3d sync ported to the Samsung pn50a450) -plus also the Nvidia glasses using the usb dongle to sync the Nvidia glasses at the pc effectively enabling checkerboard and increasing my viewing options????? Could it be possible that the two haven't plotted against me after all?? I would gladly purchase the Nvidia set immediately!!! This could help quite a few people desire to purchase both products...or at least keep their hair. Probably a dumb question but worth a try.

Samsung pn50a450 (50"3d ready plasma)
ssg1000 (DDD/Samasung glasses kit) x2
9800GTX+
Q8200 quad
p7n mobo
8g DDR2
Vista 64/XP

It will work however you need to purchase a splitter cable for the DIN3 connection coming out of the back of your HDTV. This would allow you to run both emitters at the same time. I don't believe the emitters and glasses are cross compatible.

Im wondering wether the IR emitters will conflict with each other (Edimensional High Powered Emitter vs Nvidia Emiiter)! All these flashing IR beams, I cant see it working. My glasses are gonna be here in 2 days! Ultra fast delivery, I just ordered yesterday! And Im in Canada. Got my Vista box setup and installing games as we speak. I tried Gears of War in Anaglyph and it actually didnt look too bad! Heres hoping for 85hz pageflipping once again! Finally!!

I'll be reporting back for sure!

Thanks for the posts...

If they are not cross compatible then, wouldn't that also mean they will not interfere with each other as the transmitters are sending at different frequencies? Either way- that part should be OK right?.
So I suppose the key question would be...... as the Samsung 50" plasma (pn50a450) is unlike DLPs with regard to refresh rate/Hz, will it even work with the NVIDIA drivers/ glasses & emitter? Unfortunately it is still beyond the scope of my understanding how the difference in Plasma (random refresh up to 100Hz -I think?) vs. pre 120Hz DLP technology should translate to the NVIDIA glasses (despite reading the earlier "<120Hz" posts). Aren't shutters just shutters- (0 or 1)?

Would anyone be kind enough to dumb it down for my and the rest of the folks that bought this TV? I just don't have enough practical experience at this point to bet the additional 200 and have not ran across any specific posts related to this model display/tv and the NVIDIA glasses combo.

Presuming I can also find a splitter...

1. Would this create any power related issues with the emitter(s) creating some sort of unintended circuit between the "usb powered dongle?" and the ddd (tv sync port powered dongle) by ultimately "touching" at the splitter?

2. Would I also have the overscan issue on this plasma and the red hues as experienced by DLP users?

3. Would I have to plug in a CRT to trick the install? (or could I fake the "what do you see" stuff")?

If anyone would be kind enough to assist, I could create a brief guide for all others with the same issue.
Personally I just really need some convincing - either way - from someone who already has a good handle on all this....Unfortunately Iz3d does not support the racing games I want for use with the cool new racing cockpit I built.

Hi all. First time poster and new to the world of 3D gaming. I got my glasses today and dug out my old 85hz crt. The install would not work so I had to guess the right answers on setup and medical test and picked generic crt for the display.

I thought the glasses were broken. I didn't have a 3d page on the drivers. I installed the 181.22 drivers and then got the 3d settings. Luckily I tried a game before I boxed them back up to return them. It works fine in games but still can't do the setup test. No big deal I guess. Funny thing is I thought my crt did 120hz lol. I guess it's been awhile since I've used it. It was one fo the highest priced monitors when I got it ($350 in 2004; 21" philips 201b4). I probably have 20-30 games already that work in 3d. Left 4 Dead sure looks sweet in 3d and medieval 2 total war.

I'm off to play some more.

Yeah, that's what I was saying, if you have something under 100HZ, the setup will be all screwed up so you have to guess, but it does work.

Although the ssg1000 emitter doesn't appear to be a high powered emiter...presuming the port is "hot" enough to power a "high power" emitter, it should have enough "juice" for both, I'm guessing, and since the Nvidia already is designed to "touch" the USB I'm also guessing the worst I could do is fry the ddd for which I have a spare. So I contacted Norvac (elec manu) and they have what I need to make my own splitter, but I could really use somebody to weigh in on this before I get started.

I like how he mentions that the tech allows you to see games "the way they were meant to be seen."



I'm inches away from picking up one of the bundles, but I'm a little worried about the ghosting. My iZ3D monitor is not in use right now because the ghosting was just too much for me to deal with.

Where are you? Tigerdirect takes the stuff back within 30 days. Mine has gone back, I'll wait for larger monitors.

I'm in the US and that's an excellent point! I might as well give it a go.

I am a little bummed about the small size too, but I think I can cope with it.

Thanks for the suggestion about the 30 day return thing, it hadn't occurred to me at all.

I guess everyone can expect another review soon.

Just don't scratch the stuff and such and expect to pay around $30 for return if you don't keep it, not the $2.99 you pay for shipping to you.

Hi tentaclesex,

Unless you are extremely sensitive to ghosting I don't know if you will find a better S3d solution for the foreseeable future. I am enjoying the s3d experience again immensely and unless I look for ghosting it is a non issue to me.

As for larger monitors I certainly would have preferred not to have to move down from my 24 inch Dell to a 22 inch Samsung. However the s3d experience so far is worth it to me. Anyway there is hope in the 2nd half of the year apparently for larger 120 hz monitors according to this article http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=75

Please give as a iz3d vs samsung ghosting report when you get it, I'm sure lots of people want to know.

That's good to hear. I'm very excited to try it out.


I will, definitely.

My glasses should arrive tonight, so I will try with my projector. Something tells me I will have to reverse the pageflipping on the Nvidia glasses, so if anyone knows how to do this, ,maybe you could let me know. Other than that, Ill report back when I test them out

xposted over nvidia S3D forum:

Prince of Persia 2008 + 3D vision:

This game got stuck at a much slower than 100Hz because of an in game option. My 3D Vision glasses do not work with this game at all even though both left and right images were there albeit at a slow and flickering rate.

I used RivaTuner to set the monitor refresh rate to 120 in Vista and it works for other games, but it doesn't seem to matte for this game, it always goes to a slower freq.

Is there a work around for this?

Q So I don't mean to be redundant in my question but will the 50" samsung plasma (pn50a450) work with this kit? The whole 120Hz thing doesn't really apply. This TV, like the DLP's, use the checkerboard format and works great with Iz3d and DDD drivers but all the Hz discussion has me nervous. Windows shows resolution options only up to 60Hz settings (9800gtx+ on HDMI). Just waiting to pull the trigger....

A The pn50a450 (720p 50" Samsung 3D ready Plasma) works perfectly with a fullscreen native resolution of 1365 x 768 (= no black boarder and no need to wait for driver fix)..... guess buying a 720p paid off after all. What's more, with use of a miniDIN-3 splitter (I built my own) you can use your ssg1000 Samsung glasses and emitter at the same time with no interference.

I've edited this post to reflect the answer for others that would find this information useful.

Try RefreshLock, a more powerful tool.. it still works in Vista even though it's several years old now. It's a tiny program, only takes like 30KB of memory.

I'll compose more detailed impressions later, but for now I just want to say that the ghosting with the Geforce 3D Vision with the Samsung 120 hz LCD is far more tolerable than with the iZ3D setup. I found it very distracting with the iZ3d, and with this I don't really notice it a lot of the time.