ARAIG Gaming Suit is "As Real as it Gets" *Kickstarter*

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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/vi ... as-it-Gets
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/141 ... as-it-gets
"Experience the next level of gaming. Finally you get to feel what you've only been able to see." This is the mission statement for IFTech's bold new piece of gaming hardware: a "suit" of wearable computing dubbed "As Real as it Gets (ARAIG)". Silly acronym aside, ARAIG uses several forms of feedback to give players the experience of actually being inside the game. "It is wearable technology that stimulates the senses where you, the gamer, can now feel the rain on your shoulders, the rumble of a tank, the concussion of sound and debris, where you are drowned in the sensations and sound of your gaming world," promises IFTech on its Kickstarter page, where it is asking for $900,000 to fund the project.

ARAIG uses 3 forms of sensory feedback: surround sound, vibration and STIMS. Surround sound is pretty straightforward: speakers built into the device itself let the user hear sounds as if they were actually in the game. Vibration is pretty much standard controller vibration, but over your whole body and much more concise (the developer gives the example of "a high powered sniper rifle might create a very strong impact at one location while a plasma rifle might create an average impact at a particular location and then spread out across the body."

STIMS is the really unique aspect of the ARAIG device, using sensory stimulation "to contract particular muscles". The initial design focuses on the pectorals and abdominal muscles, and can create everything from a tingling sensation as if something is crawling across the skin, to a full out contraction of the muscle to move your body. If you're worried that this might be beyond your pain threshold, IFTech assures us that the ARAIG is FDA approved and does not cause any pain to the user.

When you purchase an ARAIG you get the Exoskeleton (which is the actual suit itself), a Decoder (which connects the device to various gaming platforms), a Power Cell (rechargeable battery), and a Power Cord. $299 is the minimum pledge to get the actual device, and also gives you access to a limited edition Kickstarter "skin." Skins are "snap-on components" for the Exoskeleton that give it a new look (Batman, Military Commando, Iron Man etc.)

Probably the coolest thing about this technology is thinking about how it would interact with both the Oculus Rift and the Omni treadmill, to create the most immersive possible VR environment. Ladies and gentlemen, could this be the "true" VR that we've so far only ever seen in movies? Excuse me while I put on all three pieces of technology and essentially become Batman in time for Arkham Origins.
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$900.000 goal? Seems pretty high. Although if Oculus managed 2.5 milion I guess they can too.
Not sure I'd be comfortable wearing something like that while gaming though. Especially with a big subwoofer strapped to my back.
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Interesting, but the lack of any mention of VR HMDs to go along with it is hilarious. This will be a gimmick without something like the Rift.

edit: here's a quote for them to use: "Immerse your upper body in the game, and maybe your ears, but definitely not your eyes and head."

edit 2: I see there's a poll there. I chose "maybe." Hopefully the same companies that would support this would also support the Rift, but the fact that the people making this are oblivious to the Rift is concerning, to say the least.
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For a ~$100 suit, and a ~$25,000 Kickstarter? Maybe; I'm a big fan of haptic feedback, and I can see something like this adding a welcome layer of immersion. But at $300 minimum (the non-limited version is frickin' $500), particularly when they're asking for a goddamned million dollars just to get started? Jesus, a few choice Kickstarter successes have totally warped some people's sense of scale. Good luck with this thing, guys. :roll:

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No! - because i didnt see a REAL working concept. This Kickstarter will hopefully fail - the should do their work (a view prototypes) and redo a kickstarter with ~200.000.

If this actuall kickstarter succed i will do a kickstarter "Spaceship to the Moon - i dont know what/how, but i already build paper-planes. You can buy a paintable m² from the ship so give me 250.000.000.000 $"
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RoTaToR wrote:No! - because i didnt see a REAL working concept. This Kickstarter will hopefully fail - the should do their work (a view prototypes) and redo a kickstarter with ~200.000.

If this actuall kickstarter succed i will do a kickstarter "Spaceship to the Moon - i dont know what/how, but i already build paper-planes. You can buy a paintable m² from the ship so give me 250.000.000.000 $"
I saw a working prototype. Didn't you watch the video?
$900,000 is perhaps what it would actually cost to bring something like that to market. It's more complicated than the Oculus Rift.
I gave them $5, and I wish them luck. (I can't afford the actual product though).
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There wasnt a video. Now i see it. Hmmmmm, i like it, but something...

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I am definitely interested, however, there are some definite obstacles to make this actually a capable device for games and while the Rift is something which can easily enter the consumer space if it gets popular enough, I don't think we're at the point where anyone wouldn't feel somewhat weird putting on or watching someone play games when they wear what looks like a Batman suit to feel their games, it's a nice concept however. Here is just conjecture, but they also would need to build up a community of interested developers I imagine just like the Rift, by interested I mean games built with support for it of course.
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too expensive do not want.
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Vamplifire wrote:too expensive do not want.
Looking at it again, i'm not sure what the exact price is, there's like 7 different categories with the same kickstarter rewards, if the end price is 500$, there's definitely going to be a hard time with adoption. I looked and believed I had saw the suit was 300$, but apparently this isn't entirely true.
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I love the concept and would totally support if they killed the speakers/subwoofer and at least mentioned Oculus Rift support. I feel like they are doing some cool things, but are a little offside on where things are going. Maybe version 2 will be a good time to jump in.

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Imo, it is just short of a comic. To expensive and just not interesting.
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EAPidgeon wrote:
Vamplifire wrote:too expensive do not want.
Looking at it again, i'm not sure what the exact price is, there's like 7 different categories with the same kickstarter rewards, if the end price is 500$, there's definitely going to be a hard time with adoption. I looked and believed I had saw the suit was 300$, but apparently this isn't entirely true.
I think its a "be first - get it cheap" - deal:

900000 $ goal / 299$ ~ 3010 ARAIG backers

299$: 0100 pcs.
349$: 0500 pcs.
399$: 1000 pcs.
425$: 1500 pcs.
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3100 pcs.
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I'm not convinced this would add anything meaningful to the experience. The rift, yes. Hydras, yes. An omnidirectional treadmill, yes. Vibrations on arbitrary parts of the body? not at that price point, at least. Maybe I can completely off base with this, but it doesn't seem like the type of thing which will really help to cement you in the world and allow you to interact with it more naturally. Maybe I'd get something like this for 20 bucks, but not several hundred, and even then I don't know If I'd bother integrating it into my own setup.
Unless I am overlooking something?
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I'm not clear on the technology that drives this, but it seems to be a combination of speakers, rumble packs and electrical muscle stimulation? I think getting those 'mixed' right (especially the latter) in a gaming context will be really tough, and judging from the video demonstration they haven't actually reached that particular hurdle yet. It seems like they're in a similar position to that of Oculus when they launched, they need developers to help them figure stuff out - except that video is clearly targeted toward the consumer.

As a developer, I don't have the foggiest idea about how I will develop for this. As a consumer, I'm looking at an unfinished product.

I wish them the best of luck, but I'm not convinced.
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This reminds me of the 3rd space suit http://tngames.com/products I havn't tryed it but they kinda look cool in concept.

The sound system looks poor, sure low frequency can be integrated into the suit. Headphones are going to beat speakers in your shoulders. Headphones also help dampen the noise of the buzzers on the suit :P.

How easy would it be to wash that?

If it had some sensors to also provide feedback to the game that would bee much more interesting. (inertial, temperature, moisture, heartbeat, ect.)
This is why the Rift is so awesome, the head tracking ability that changes the game output makes the the difference.
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I am the kind of person that gets excited by stuff like this. I would love to see this company succeed and create more (and hopefully cheaper) products in the future. I'll do a lower tier pledge up to $50, just to show my support.
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The first thing it reminded me of was the old rumble vest from a few years back.
This thing never took off and I seriously doubt a new vest with some speakers and a giant sub woofer on the back will make any difference.

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I'm wondering why no one is thinking about arms and fingers. They say the first thing you do when put the rift on is look down to see your arms in game which aren't there. Why not have like a razor hydra built into the sleeves and gloves with full arm and finger mapping?
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Durex did it better
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I think the goal is pretty unrealistic, especially with an expected ship date of Dec 2014 :s

I watched the video and it seems, quite logically, that the feedback will only be generic unless it's specifically programmed by the developer...and we've been there many times over the years with specialised gaming peripherals.
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meh there is a thing as "too much" immersion. I dont really care for the whole force feedback thing anyways so.. think ill pass.
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I doubt they will make their $900K goal, but I'm in for $299 anyway.
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museumsteve wrote:I think the goal is pretty unrealistic, especially with an expected ship date of Dec 2014 :s

I watched the video and it seems, quite logically, that the feedback will only be generic unless it's specifically programmed by the developer...and we've been there many times over the years with specialised gaming peripherals.
Similar to my thoughts as well.
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I put No even though this sort of stuff really interests me because I just don't see this project taking off. Even if they do I can imagine the first person that has a heart attack using it will sink the company.
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Read title and got excited, was expecting a full haptic suit. Looked at the Kickstarter, GTFO. $300? $900k Hope they fail, hard.
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I wish the feedback was stronger. I want something that knocks you back a little bit.
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900k is way too much, but I liked the concept and backed for $299. I doubt they will get funded.
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There was something like this posted some month ago. It was already years old and due to the lack of games that supported it, it failed in general public.

It seems like a great idea but there are some things that are bothering me. The Speakers are okay even though I'm preferring a headset, but the sub-woofer is huge and looks like it would not be very uncomfortable, you can't lean back or sit straight on a chair. (I guess you take it off?) But I'm wondering how comfortable it is in general.

The price is nice and I might support it n the last days of the kickstarter, if there will be some nice games that support it..
900k sounds much, but 3000 bakers seem to be possible. If they would have set the goal lower, they would produce less units, which would return in a higher per Unit price.
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Whats strange for me is there isnt a single hmd of rift mention , this project would do so much better if they had a little mention of the rift in the opening video.
However its a nice concept and intergrated properly it would be a major contribution to VR.
Rift + Omni + ARAIG + Delta Six , would that not make a nice immersive experience ?.
Im gonna have to $299
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I dont have that much money to spare, so I'm getting only the Rift and Omni. The Delta Six controller failed to convince me with the latency, accuracy and stuff. It's like they never thought about it. I'll just wait for Oculus to come up with their own controllers, to be honest.

I'm still getting the Razer Hydra. 50 bucks was too cheap to pass out on. Plus, I can use it with a chair, on many, many different games, not just Rift-enabled games. I'm planning to use them for flight sims and mech sims, will see how it goes.

But Delta Six? No way for that price. All I really want is a simple rifle with tracking.

The ARAIG on the other hand adds haptic feedback. What I really want is input AND output from the real world to the virtual world, not just the output. Not my thing, yet.
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This is kinda weird. We already have something like this, it's called 3RD Space Vest, from Tngames. It already supports a lot of games, the price is decent. I own one, and I recommend it. Now it's up to Rift to get a broader game list, which it doesn't have, for now. By the way, game companies don't care to support something like this, so you're in the hole to begin with.
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I'm in for $299 too ...
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Ryuuken24 wrote:This is kinda weird. We already have something like this, it's called 3RD Space Vest, from Tngames. It already supports a lot of games, the price is decent. I own one, and I recommend it. Now it's up to Rift to get a broader game list, which it doesn't have, for now. By the way, game companies don't care to support something like this, so you're in the hole to begin with.
is it still supported? their page hasnt been updated in forever
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I just found this on youtube, maybe you've already seen it.
It's some sort of salepitch speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GrZJruF87s
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There was a gadget show thing I watched where they tried a completely immersive gaming experience with battlefield 3 I think and they used a projector with headtracking. One of the things they had in that was a bunch of paint ball guns that would shoot you in real life if you got shot in the game, sometimes they would miss and you'd feel the pellets rushing past you.

The immersion it added was the genuine fear of being shot. It kind of kicked your adrenaline in and seemed really cool for the guy playing.

The video I've seen is just a guy feeling vibrations at different points on his body! That's pointless, they should show me loads of videos of people playing a game with this thing on and getting really into it like they did with the rift. This could be awesome but I have no idea if any of this actually makes games more fun unless I try it out and I can only guess if I see others trying it out and enjoying themselves.

I think aiming this at consumers is a really bad idea. They should have been talking about it loads here first!
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They are also using TENS, it's not just a rumble pack.

Stimulation can provide pretty intense sensations, with enough power you would be afraid to get shot.

That said, there is already the 3rd Space Vest available today (for cheaper) and may, in fact, provide a better experience.
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yautjacetanu wrote:There was a gadget show thing I watched where they tried a completely immersive gaming experience with battlefield 3 I think and they used a projector with headtracking. One of the things they had in that was a bunch of paint ball guns that would shoot you in real life if you got shot in the game, sometimes they would miss and you'd feel the pellets rushing past you.

The immersion it added was the genuine fear of being shot. It kind of kicked your adrenaline in and seemed really cool for the guy playing.

The video I've seen is just a guy feeling vibrations at different points on his body! That's pointless, they should show me loads of videos of people playing a game with this thing on and getting really into it like they did with the rift. This could be awesome but I have no idea if any of this actually makes games more fun unless I try it out and I can only guess if I see others trying it out and enjoying themselves.

I think aiming this at consumers is a really bad idea. They should have been talking about it loads here first!
Funny you mention this... I just posted that clip in another thread.

http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=17739
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This seems targeted more at the CoD/ Battlefield crowd rather than VR.

I think the speakers + sub-woofer are too much. Many people using HMDs will have good headphones already. And people playing on a TV will have their own surround sound - and they won't be moving about so there's no real advantage to having the speakers on the device.

I'd prefer a cheaper vest using TENS, etc. (like the 3rd Space). But what I really want are more subtle haptics - not just explosions and impacts. Disney Research's 'Surround Haptics' is the kind of thing that would make me spend money.

I did like that guy's biceps though.
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rhinosix wrote:But what I really want are more subtle haptics - not just explosions and impacts.
From their Kickstarter page:

"ARAIG’s STIMS sensory stimulation is the ability to contract particular muscles....STIMS can create everything from a tingling sensation as if something is crawling across the skin to a full out contraction of the muscle to move your body. The range of sensations is really interesting because it allows developers the ability to make weapon impacts more meaningful, can give that feeling of being pulled and gives the opportunity to create sensations that have not been properly represented in games before such as the sensation of rain or a slight touch."

The first thing I thought of when I saw that it could be adjusted to feel like something crawling on you, the first thing I thought of was spiders :mrgreen:
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