please delete/ignore this post.

[geekmaster]

Here is a 64K demo that impressed the heck out of me back in 2000:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNqpD3Mg9hY

The program that generates this video in real-time (on 2000 vintage computers) is only 64KB (65536 bytes max size). That is the maximum size allowed for 64K demo competitions.

[KBK]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqu_IpkOYBg

I heard that this looks pretty awesome in 3D, viewed in the Rift. I will try that soon...

I wanna play trackmania with the rift.

http://www.nadeo.com/

Oh yes. The above video went a little like 'Dark City', in the second half (of the video).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSpowoKqSzc

If you 'dig' films that hand over the cosmic mindfracking with a sledgehammer to the face, and have never seen this before... smoke a few and put your seatbelt on. One of the all-time greats. Inception and matrix territory, but it was done first. As a matter of fact, both steal from Dark City. Literally.

A comment from a published reviewer, "Critic Stephen Holden of The New York Times wrote that the "plot that Dark City builds on John's predicament is a confused affair" and that the film's premise is "unsettling enough to make you wonder if it could actually derail a seriously drug-addled mind."

[JoeReMi]

Yep, love Dark City.

[geekmaster]

But just try compressing "Dark City" down to 177 kilobytes (the size of the "Debris" demo)!

Yeah, I have Dark City in my VHS collection. I see that the "Director's Cut" edition is out on BluRay. I just might need to add that to my list...

Because many demoscene apps have source code, and many work with the Vireo Perception drivers, the demoscene may become a big thing in a certain sector of the Rift community.

[Marulu]

[geekmaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkgiC-N7CSo

Nice for a Rift game, eh?

Perhaps an extended version of this thread?
http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=140&t=17872

[Marulu]

Nice for a Rift game, eh?

I hope we are going to see some stuff like this in "The Gallery."

[Marulu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDlu3BrycJM

[Vamplifire]

[geekmaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4EWAhMTb4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTNguT1a6q4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDxKp22hmBY

[Vamplifire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCBzmkbirbg

[Ziggurat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhWpP-vPUcQ

[Direlight]

Above video, that guy is wrong about chem trails. Even if nothing underhanded is going on (yeah right) jet fuel is still a highly toxic chemical linked to all kinds of illness, so it's still chem trailing.

[geekmaster]

Above video, that guy is wrong about chem trails. Even if nothing underhanded is going on (yeah right) jet fuel is still a highly toxic chemical linked to all kinds of illness, so it's still chem trailing.

Jet fuels are well characterized regarding their physical and chemical properties. ... Among the emitted hydrocarbons (HCs), no compound (indicator) characteristic for jet engines could be detected so far. Jet engines do not seem to be a source of halogenated compounds or heavy metals ... A comparison between organic compounds in the emissions of jet engines and diesel vehicle engines revealed no major differences in the composition. Risk factors of jet engine fuel exhaust can only be named in context of exposure data. Using available monitoring data, the possibilities and limitations for a risk assessment approach for the population living around large airports are presented. The analysis of such data shows that there is an impact on the air quality of the adjacent communities, but this impact does not result in levels higher than those in a typical urban environment.

Water vapor is a chemical too. The biggest change is the greenhouse effect of clouds caused by smoke particles in jet engine exhaust, but not so much from actual chemical pollution at high altitudes. That is not particularly "yeah right" underhanded goings on. Just the science of combustion and condensation and greenhouse effects of unintentional smoke-induced cloud seeding.

[Direlight]

Umm...okay? That just says it disperses..never mentioned that, just the fact that it's toxic to begin with and I'm not going to have another fake debate about simple facts, sorry.

I agree with the article btw, jet fuel and anything high up in gas or liquid usually disperses (assuming it doesn't freeze solid), I actually understand basic physics, thanks geek, no more 1 ups needed.

Btw guys if you think I'm being rude, Geek offered to "clean up" my posts, because he was getting confused by big words like DVI (lol) and was worried it would throw the forum into a misguided buying frenzy of video cables.

PM me if you want to read it, not even joking.

[Ziggurat]

Umm...okay? That just says it disperses..never mentioned that, just the fact that it's toxic to begin with and I'm not going to have another fake debate about simple facts, sorry.

I agree with the article btw, jet fuel and anything high up in gas or liquid usually disperses (assuming it doesn't freeze solid), I actually understand basic physics, thanks geek, no more 1 ups needed.

Lots of things are toxic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDA0skyptuo


About the previous video, I just thought the most hilarious part was how that woman though the you have to put something in the water to make a rainbow.

[Ziggurat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDlu3BrycJM

Haven't seen the video yet (at work currently, so I try to limit my Youtube usage), but maybe we can call this a get into jail free card?

[geekmaster]

Umm...okay? That just says it disperses..never mentioned that, just the fact that it's toxic to begin with and I'm not going to have another fake debate about simple facts, sorry.

I agree with the article btw, jet fuel and anything high up in gas or liquid usually disperses (assuming it doesn't freeze solid), I actually understand basic physics, thanks geek, no more 1 ups needed.

There was no "fake debate" other than the meanings of DVI-D and Dual-Link DVI. I just provided correct definitions of misused terminology, with no "1-ups" there. And I did it to help prevent people from purchasing the wrong cable.

Jet fuel is ultra-pure diesel fuel, and safer than diesel used in trucking or railroads. And no toxic dyes either (for fuel tax purposes). And much safer than gasoline burned in millions of poorly maintained automobiles, especially in stop-and-go traffic where plenty of unburned fuel escapes mixed with the exhaust. Living near a major highway exposes more people to more harmful pollution that the relatively small amount (in comparison) of aviation fuel, most of which settles in unpopulated areas. Diesel soot particles are much too large for Brownian motion, and will eventually settle to the ground. At least we are not breathing so much lead anymore in that automotive exhaust mix.

There is more danger in unburned fuel vapor than fuel consumption exhaust, and much more of that escapes from automobiles than from aircraft.

No conspiracies or "1-ups". Just facts. You never did correct your DVI-D thing, but rather you insisted you were correct in both posts and PMs even though my definitions and diagrams were very clear on that matter. And now this...

Yes, jets do release toxic exhaust, but much less and much cleaner and much less exposure, than health consequences of daily commuting.

[Direlight]

9 minute video on toxic fireplaces and then at the end "it's all overblown, don't worry...be happy" or whatever I didn't watch the whole thing, but feel free to think nothing can hurt you meanwhile........on Earth




All red areas are dead ^, fresh water lakes and streams (outside of Alaska) are at roughly 40-50% normal wildlife levels due to pollution as well. Bee population is at 20% normal (all recent data available online)

It's fine though it disperses and jet fuel is "organic".

Jet fuel is ultra-pure diesel fuel,

Not really, mainly kerosene and high octane gas. Newer stuff uses hydrogen, you're thinking of something other then main stream jets.

IATA Guidance Material (Kerosene Type), NATO Code F-35.
Jet B is a fuel in the naphtha-kerosene region that is used for its enhanced cold-weather performance. However, Jet B's lighter composition makes it more dangerous to handle

It is similar though because it's oily.

Jet fuel is very similar to diesel fuel, and in some cases, may be burned in diesel engines.

and here's my crappy source cause I'm not spending an hour verifying things online.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

[geekmaster]

What proof do you have that those red areas are caused by burned aviation fuel?

According to this (a document containing your image):
http://courses.missouristate.edu/clydet ... Odneal.pdf

That "dead zone" is from Hypoxia (low levels of oxygen), which it says the cause comes from excess nitrogen and phosphorus, the majority of which comes from corn and soybean crops.

Your "crappy source" says that your quote applies to the explosion hazard from static electricity (see the referenced link at your quote), and NOT from any health effects.

As you said, you will not take the time to check your facts, but prefer to misuse incorrect words, and in this case incorrect pictures too.

[Direlight]

It's caused by various pollutants, mainly nitrogen fertilizer.


Jet fuel you need to reasearch lung cancer (grandpa died of it, smoked and drove a diesel forklift).


Too bad they didn't run it off the original peanut oil, but then we'd need to use different farming methods.


Oh and this little incident probably doesn't help
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP_oil_spill

[geekmaster]

It's caused by various pollutants, mainly nitrogen fertilizer.

Jet fuel you need to reasearch lung cancer (grandpa died of it, smoked and drove a diesel forklift).

Too bad they didn't run it off the original peanut oil, but then we'd need to use different farming methods.

Once again, you are confirming what I said. Not from jet aircraft "chemtrails" as you originally implied.

The BP oil spill would have been less harmful if they just let the oil naturally polymerize into tarballs to be buried in the sand, rather than dumping tons of toxic solvents to disperse it, exposing fish to solvents and unnaturally tiny oil particles. Again, not caused by "chemtrails".

Sorry to hear about your GrandPa, but his problem was probably caused by the smoking rather than the tractor exhaust. Again, not chemtrails.

[Direlight]

Geek, please quote.

I could of swore I never said that and was responding to the fireplace video with dead zones. Se when you read and don't 1 up, you'd know I was talking about the video, look here I'll quote it here for you.

9 minute video on toxic fireplaces and then at the end "it's all overblown, don't worry...be happy" or whatever I didn't watch the whole thing, but feel free to think nothing can hurt you meanwhile........on Earth

This is how Geeky reads it

"Jet fuel causes dead zones".

It's like he's a troll or something

[Direlight]

Sorry to hear about your GrandPa, but his problem was probably caused by the smoking rather than the tractor exhaust. Again, not chemtrails.

Yep, again I am saying strange stuff like "grandpa died from chemtrails" otherwise you just radomly said "chemtrails". All I've said about chem trails is jet fuel a toxic chemical, in fact we even were talking about deadzones, but we are back to chemtrails not existing or something. Can't really follow.

Did you know aircraft fuel is diesel fuel?

[geekmaster]

Geek, please quote.

I could of swore I never said that and was responding to the fireplace video with dead zones. Se when you read and don't 1 up, you'd know I was talking about the video, look here I'll quote it here for you.
...
It's like he's a troll or something

Sorry, I missed the fireplace video. I thought we were still discussing chemtrails. I did not notice the context shift. At least one of us can admit to having made a mistake...


Regarding peanut oil for diesel fuel as being better than refined petroleum diesel:

Based on the literature available at present, biodiesel exhaust can have more, less, or the same potency in inducing biological responses and health effects as PDE [Petroleum Diesel Exhaust]. ... Some compounds present in combusted biodiesel exhaust can induce known toxicity in exposed human populations down to cellular effects.

That was an interesting read. It seems that peanut oil and other biofuels can be just as toxic as petroleum products, but with different toxins (including various carcinogenic organic compounds and volatilized pesticides).

[geekmaster]

... Did you know aircraft fuel is diesel fuel?

As I said (and you quoted) "Jet fuel is ultra-pure diesel fuel", (but it may also be blended with benzine). And until that last "troll" comment you made, I did not realize that the focus had shifted to something other than the chemtrails subject you started. Apparently it is now about fireplaces, or fertilizer run-off, or peanut oil, or aircraft fuel, or trolls, or something... Who knows?

Why ask me if I know my own quote that you used above? Is that a joke or something? The shifting topic and inuendos are starting to lose me here...

[geekmaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RN7PD2qiJE

[geekmaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0TGYAxpAZI

[geekmaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1DRrAhQJtM

[Direlight]

Geek reading trouble example 2

What I quoted which requires copy & paste usually

Jet fuel is very similar to diesel fuel, and in some cases, may be burned in diesel engines.

What geek thinks I quoted which he obviously edited, note these should match being in "quotes"

"Jet fuel is ultra-pure diesel fuel",

He literally deleted "very similar" to prove some weird point, lol.







lol @ toxic peanut oil.


Damn, I should be dead burning and eating that crap, better switch to dw-40.................


Post more articles like that:)

[geekmaster]

Geek reading trouble example 2

What I quoted which requires copy & paste usually

Jet fuel is very similar to diesel fuel, and in some cases, may be burned in diesel engines.

What geek thinks I quoted which he obviously edited, note these should match being in "quotes"

"Jet fuel is ultra-pure diesel fuel",

He literally deleted "very similar" to prove some weird point, lol.

lol @ toxic peanut oil.

Damn, I should be dead burning and eating that crap, better switch to dw-40.................

Post more articles like that:)

I cannot edit what you quoted in your posts. I do not have moderator privileges. I did not "obviously edit" anything, other than fixing small spelling errors in *my* posts, and I did not delete ANY words. They are different because one of them is what I said in an earlier post, and other is what you later copied from WikiPedia (which mostly confirms what I had previously said). You are confusing what you copied from my post with what you copied from WikiPedia... Why do you act this way when people correct your mistakes in various threads?

No need to ridicule the stuff I quoted from reliable studies, including proven biofuel exhaust toxicity. I provided links that you can reference. Whereas your claims are unfounded and unproven, like that chemtrail stuff you started with before drifing all over the place...

You did that weird reversal in the other thread too, where you later changed your initial claims and stated something almost like what I said, and then said it proves that I was wrong. I just do not understand you. Your absurdity is astounding and befuddling. That must be your game. I cannot follow the ramblings of a madman. Sorry...

[Direlight]

ahuh ,all misquotes



Copy and Paste misquotes that anyone can scroll up and read to verify. Btw, studies that say stuff like "bio fuel" is more toxic then petrol, yeah those might be this thing called propaganda by oil companies.


Or since I'm a "madman" run your own experiment at home, burn different oils and watch which makes you sick faster or watch the smoke, or hell use some common sense and realize that COOKING oil isn't "highly toxic vs. petrol" or whatever crap it said.

I'm not the one posting anything weird, all my stuff is duh duh stuff you can wiki and is pretty basic really.


If you think petrochemicals are perfectly or mildly safe, go ahead and breathe deeply around it then, I'm not you man, I'll keep my nutbar toxic oil theory to my self since it's offending you (somehow).

Btw, I don't think you're all there either, but for very different reasons then yours.

[geekmaster]

Cooking oil is great for cooking IN, especially peanut oil. But burning it as a fuel creates toxic exhaust fumes, although different toxins from petro-fuels. Cooking and burning are not the same chemistry.

[Direlight]

Please skip over my posts in the future, It's for the best.

[geekmaster]

Please skip over my posts in the future, It's for the best.

I will only correct your obvious and flagrant mistakes, and add important missing details, just as I have done before. Especially when they can cause others to waste their time by believing what you said.

And you will probably get all weirded out again, like you do when somebody corrects you or clarifies something you said that was unclear. Such is life for people who refuse to learn from their mistakes or omissions. That is your choice to make.

In our PM conversation about that other thread, I offered to change my posts however you want, AFTER you correct your initial mistake (confusing DVI-D with Dual-Link DVI). You refused, insisting that you were still correct, in spite of the defining evidence I provided. You even provided links that you claimed proved I was wrong, but they actually confirmed what I said. However, my offer still stands, IF you can face up to fixing an obvious error in your post.

[Direlight]

Not worth it, nm.

[geekmaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ukMId5fIi0

[geekmaster]

Jet fuel is ultra-pure diesel fuel,

Not really, mainly kerosene and high octane gas. Newer stuff uses hydrogen, you're thinking of something other then main stream jets. ...

Just so anybody reading this thread is not misdirected by confused terminology in Direlight's post, #1 Diesel fuel oil is also known as Kerosene. Diesel fuel oil comes in other grades as well, which have less purity. So the claim that jet fuel contains kerosene but NOT diesel fuel is poorly researched and completely false. They are the same (at least regarding #1 Diesel). Other ingredients are blended into jet fuel to prevent freezing at high altitudes, with benzine being a common choice. Gasoline is often blended into the dirtier #2 Diesel fuel oil for use in automobiles, also to prevent freezing into a gel in cold climates.

Hydrogen fuel for jet engines seems unlikely, especially with the heavy containment vessels needed to contain compressed hydrogen gas safely under high pressure. Even solid methane hydrate storage requires substantial pressure, besides having significant safety issues.

Although this is a dead argument at this point, factual errors such as this should not stand, to be used as a "factual" reference source at some point in the future. There are enough false "facts" out on the interwebs already.

[geekmaster]

The magic of high speed photography: Prince Rupert's Drop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-f4gokRBs

[KBK]

Please skip over my posts in the future, It's for the best.

I will only correct your obvious and flagrant mistakes, and add important missing details, just as I have done before. Especially when they can cause others to waste their time by believing what you said.

And you will probably get all weirded out again, like you do when somebody corrects you or clarifies something you said that was unclear. Such is life for people who refuse to learn from their mistakes or omissions. That is your choice to make.

In our PM conversation about that other thread, I offered to change my posts however you want, AFTER you correct your initial mistake (confusing DVI-D with Dual-Link DVI). You refused, insisting that you were still correct, in spite of the defining evidence I provided. You even provided links that you claimed proved I was wrong, but they actually confirmed what I said. However, my offer still stands, IF you can face up to fixing an obvious error in your post.

The last time the skies were clear and the heat escaped the cities properly, was when the airports were shut down during 9/11, for just over ..what..2 days?

We need less jets in the skies, that's a fact.

It's like saying that jets kill less children than other forms of killers, so lots of jets is OK.

The big problem is bunker fuel for cargo carriers on the oceans.

no regulation, there.

The fuel used in the ocean going vessels, pollution wise is in the area of about..what....20-30-40-50-100 billion cars from the 70's? Whatever the number is, it is a horrific number. An insane number that the mind has trouble holding.

Those things need to be cleaned up.

The car exhaust is a JOKE in comparison.

All the car exhaust in the world, as it stands right now...is about 1/100th of the carbon footprint and pollution of unregulated and uncontrolled ocean going bunker fuel use. And if my number is not precise, I really don't give a poop, and neither should anyone else, if they're sane. it's irrelevant to the discussion. To be super precise is pedantic and not important to the discussion. It's like talking about levels of murder.

look it up.....(check it out and do the calculations)

A single cargo ship can produce as much air pollution as 350,000 cars in an hour. -

http://www.foe.org/projects/oceans-and- ... ng-vessels