remote control VR

[Mystify]

Take a 3d camera
mount it on a remote control plane/helicopter/whatever
stream video back to your HMD while you remote control the plane

Does anyone know how well this would work?

[cybereality]

Yeah, its called FPV (first person view) and it is pretty popular on some forums.

Not sure if anyone has done this with a 3D camera, all the videos I've seen were using 2D.

But it would be pretty cool, I'd like to try this some day.

[geekmaster]

Yeah, its called FPV (first person view) and it is pretty popular on some forums.

Not sure if anyone has done this with a 3D camera, all the videos I've seen were using 2D.

But it would be pretty cool, I'd like to try this some day.

I love FPV. I bought the equipment. Now I just need the time. This is what it is all about:

[youtube-hd]www.youtube.com/watch?v=K75ZnxR66Uo[/youtube-hd]

I even have the servo-driven pan and tilt camera mount to install in my FPV plane, which would be great controlled by the Oculus Rift head tracking.

I plan to use my Rift for FPV and gaming. Perhaps I need two of them.

Here is another little taste of this addiction:

[youtube-hd]www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrpiluwrgSw[/youtube-hd]

[Mystify]

That does look pretty awesome. What kind of range can you pull off with those?

[geekmaster]

That does look pretty awesome. What kind of range can you pull off with those?

Trappy and RiSCyD did 87 Km in April 2011. I am not aware of anything with more range than that. More info (with vimeo video) here:

In the following URL, please change "+New+" to "-New-". If I change either of them to "-", the MTBS3D forum software changes everything from "?" to "%" into "GofOFSPandex". WTF is up with that?

http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php ... %3B86.93km

It even changes the phrase between "?" to "%" into GodOFSPandex inside CODE tags, which is a huge FUBAR in my book...

Here is that SAME URL with both "+" changed to "-":
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php ... %3B86.93km

Which MTBS3D website coder has a Spandex fetish?

For those who do not want to edit that URL, here is a different FPV flight that flew out 80 Km and back, using solar cells on the wings to assist:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfDfkjGNWSQ[/youtube]

[Mystify]

The url works with +New+

That is pretty awesome. What types of latencies do you get?

[geekmaster]

The url works with +New+

That is pretty awesome. What types of latencies do you get?

It is awesome that the fpv website compensates for the URL fubar here...

I have not personally flown FPV yet. I still have to assemble my equipment that is still in kit form.

The video cameras are analog output and the radio transmission is analog, so there should be less than a single scanline (64 microseconds) latency, plus whatever is in the HMD. Of course, the latency of moving a pan and tilt camera would depend on how powerful the servomotors are that you mounted on it. And the responsiveness of the airplane (using a fixed camera) would determine any physical motive latency. It takes skill to fly highly responsive aircraft. For beginners, you want a fairly slow plane with slow and gently responsiveness.

This MTBS3D website still needs its text altering bug fixed. It changed the phrase between ? and % into GodOFSPandex even standalone (not in a URL. What will it do to embedded code? I have embedded a LOT of code in posts in the mobileread forums, and I will probably do that here to, if this flaky edit box code does not thwart my efforts...

Just for reference, the mobileread.com web master had to fix some of their code that was displaying my code incorrectly inside CODE tags as well, so MTBS3D is not alone in that regard... But breaking URLs is sure annoying. The original URL above did NOT have any "+" in it...

FYI: For long distance, you need high power transmitters, and a license to operate them (which I have). But the new regulations here in the USA require people keeping their eyes on the plane at all times (a non-FPV spotter). In the case of those long distance flights, they had (in some documented cases) spotters in moving vehicles (chase team) keeping track of the plane, with the ability to take over remote control if needed.

[Mystify]

test:
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php ... %3B86.93km
yeah, it does it to me too. That is really odd.

[geekmaster]

test:
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php ... %3B86.93km

Your link is another "GodOFSpandex" link too. It even puts GodOFSpandex inside CODE tags. That really needs to be repaired before I get bitten by it breaking any code that I post here...

Some programmer of the forum software used here must have a Spandex fetish and a sick sense of humor...

[geekmaster]

I have used FPV in a remote control car inside my house. I have a small single-eye monochrome "HMD". I was driving my car into different rooms, under a bed, etc. Then when I re-entered my living room (while home alone) I just about jumped out of my skin when I saw a stranger sitting on my sofa. It took a short moment to realize that that stranger was my body (my consciousness was in the car). It took much longer for the adrenaline to subside. I would call that an immersive experience, even with a single eye display, no color, narrow FOV, and no head tracking:



With the Rift it can only get better than that...

[cybereality]

@geekmaster: I will talk to Neil about the Spandex filter. It was originally supposed to filter out "bad" words, but it seems to be overzealous.

[geekmaster]

@geekmaster: I will talk to Neil about the Spandex filter. It was originally supposed to filter out "bad" words, but it seems to be overzealous.

So, are you saying that Neil is the "God Of Spandex"?

[cybereality]

Hahah!!!

[Likay]

Bell rings: God Of Spandex demolition.

[cybereality]

That thread right there is comedy gold.

[bobv5]

Yes 3D fpv has been done. Go to "rcgroups" forum, lots of info there.

[Sid]

I thought this technology was interesting-
http://thechive.com/2012/11/29/this-360 ... ind-video/

Would be great to integrate with vr headsets and create something akin to virtual tours.

[drifter]

these FPV videos are so mesmeric

[youtube-hd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsrzBwylodU#![/youtube-hd]
[youtube-hd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9cSxEqKQ78[/youtube-hd]

Rift + motorized helmet cam is the future

[geekmaster]

The interesting thing about VR is we can do a reasonable job of recreating this FPV experience in VR without fear of losing our precious aircraft and video gear.

[adventurer]

with Oculus, the fpv would be so so awesome, may be look like you was really flying in the real world!!!

[Diorama]

Replace the camera with this: (forgot who linked me to this but it was on MTBS)


6.5cm IPD, replace the lenses with some kind of fisheye (like from a door peep hole) to compensate for the Rift optics, then BE THE PLANE.

If you did it lying on your front with a desk-fan blowing in your face you'd feel like freaking superman, flying around the statue of liberty (or your local water-tower).

[drifter]

BE THE PLANE.

A very robust plane then (like those in foam)
for the better stereo effect possible i would always buzz the ground like madness (this plus the thrill of speed, the low res, the facility of piloting in FPV...)

[dbuckvs]

haha thats awesome, I've wanted to try this for a while now, and been reading up some.. It's not exactly straightforward to get up and running. not to mention that there is quite a bit of skill needed to fly these little beasts to begin with, let alone fly them first person.

and yea, the rcgroups forums are a great resource with nearly as many helpful people as here

[drifter]

not to mention that there is quite a bit of skill needed to fly these little beasts to begin with, let alone fly them first person.

why "let alone", for me it's more easy in FPV.

[colocolo]

Put a camera into the cockpit of a rc jet ,move the camera by your head movement and the plane by a joystick.