The Sony HMD is real!

Post by **WiredEarp** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:18 pm

Good to hear the HMZ just takes normal voltage internally (as expected).

PalmerTech, are there any signs that the internal power supply can take 240V as well as 120V?

Post by **bobv5** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:38 pm

Wired, I dont have the hmz but I would guess not. If it was able to use 250v they would probalbly included a switch to choose 250/110. If you post a picture of the inside of the control box I may be able to give you a better answer.

Post by **ancjob** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:02 am

bobv5 wrote:Wired, I dont have the hmz but I would guess not. If it was able to use 250v they would probalbly included a switch to choose 250/110. If you post a picture of the inside of the control box I may be able to give you a better answer.

right bobv5 - that's called 'voltage selector' wish they had included this to make it for entire world.....

Post by **pierreye** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:11 am

Here's the short video playing COD:MW2. The battery pack and inverter are in the front pocket. The processor box and ASUS WAVI are secure to the back using flexible velcro strap. The VR gaming feel much more realistic compare to mouse/keyboard combo.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnbUsgJpKqs[/youtube]

Post by **CyberVillain** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:22 am

Super cool!!!!

Only one thing, maybe increase the Yaw sensitivity a bit? You have to move a lot now to move just a bit in the game..

Also, very cool that you Roll the weapon to reload

Post by **Okta** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:15 am

Very nice. I agree with cybervillian, looks like you need to up the mouse sensitivity, one to one mouse tracking isnt necessary for immersive VR.

Post by **fireslayer26** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:31 am

Awesome work! This is what I've been waiting on for years!!

Post by **WiredEarp** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:04 am

Very nice video pierreye!

Post by **pierreye** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:33 am

Will try to fine tune the turning speed. Need to balance between speed and aiming accuracy. I'll add on head tracking next week. Still sourcing for additional Wiimote Plus.

Post by **CyberVillain** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:56 am

Hows the input lag? Looks like some? Or is it just the speed mentioned earlier?

Post by **pierreye** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:25 pm

I fine tune in the way that it is less sensitive to hand micro movement when in iron sight mode (50% less sensitive). That's why you see that slight movement doesn't move the cursor much for fine aiming. No lag during game play.

Post by **cybereality** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:50 pm

Really awesome! Nice work.

I'm my experiments I found 1:1 mapping to be more work than its worth (even though I used it for my video). With the tracking more sensitive it definitely seemed more fun and intuitive.

Post by **PalmerTech** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:40 pm

Thread took an off-topic direction, so I split it to here: http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=14165" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Very, very cool looking setup! Can't wait to hear how it goes with head tracking.

Post by **Corex** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:10 pm

CyberVillain wrote:Hows the input lag? Looks like some? Or is it just the speed mentioned earlier?

I'm interested in this too, anyone have an input on the subject?

Post by **pierreye** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:40 pm

I don't feel the lag is an issue here. The trigger and aiming are pretty accurate and playable. I'm going to try out faster turning speed today.

Post by **STRZ** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:03 pm

New 3D Viewer model for 2012 officially confirmed!

NEWS.AT: Und wann ist mit dem Nachfolgemodell des 3D Viewer zu rechnen?
Janesch: Wir bei Sony gehen derzeit von einem jährlichen Update aus. Und es wird definitiv 2012 das nächste Modell erscheinen, genaue Daten haben wir aber noch nicht.

Q: And when can we expect a successor of the 3D Viewer?
A: We from Sony expect a yearly update, the next model will see light definitively in 2012, we don't have a certain releasedate yet..

http://www.news.at/articles/1149/542/31 ... pt-zukunft" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Sony guy said aswell that they plan to release two models, one in the pricerange of the T1, and another cheaper one for the mass market.

Post by **bobv5** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:55 pm

AWesome.

If the cheapo one doesn't suck, we could have mass market vr in less than five years.....

Post by **ancjob** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:15 am

does not look like there will be better ergonomic design - it's the same design ...i do not know what changes are supposed to be in 2012 model...?
i am waiting for 'glasses-style' design with rest just the same as was before

Post by **PalmerTech** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:03 am

ancjob wrote:does not look like there will be better ergonomic design - it's the same design

Why do you think that? The picture at the top is just a stock picture of an HMZ-T1, it is not a picture of the newer model.

Post by **CyberVillain** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:31 am

STRZ wrote:New 3D Viewer model for 2012 officially confirmed!

http://www.news.at/articles/1149/542/31 ... pt-zukunft" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Sony guy said aswell that they plan to release two models, one in the pricerange of the T1, and another cheaper one for the mass market.

Isnt the HMZ cheapo already, better they make one twice as expensive and put some extra FOV and comfort into the package.. I dont want cheaper stuff I want better stuff!

Post by **Corex** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:48 am

CyberVillain wrote:
STRZ wrote:New 3D Viewer model for 2012 officially confirmed!

http://www.news.at/articles/1149/542/31 ... pt-zukunft" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Sony guy said aswell that they plan to release two models, one in the pricerange of the T1, and another cheaper one for the mass market.
Isnt the HMZ cheapo already, better they make one twice as expensive and put some extra FOV and comfort into the package.. I dont want cheaper stuff I want better stuff!

Isn't there more expensive stuff already on the market ? ;P I really hope they do this, would mean that investors would see the possibility's and we can choooooossseeee from alot of good HMD's in the near future. <- ALMOST got a boner when i wrote that

Post by **CyberVillain** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:08 am

Corex wrote: Isn't there more expensive stuff already on the market ? ;P I really hope they do this, would mean that investors would see the possibility's and we can choooooossseeee from alot of good HMD's in the near future. <- ALMOST got a boner when i wrote that

Well, not in that price range. Im talking the 2,000-3,000 dollar range, not 20,000

Post by **STRZ** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:44 am

It's possible that Sony keeps the oled tech for their "expensive" model and implement lcd or lcos in the cheaper ones. Picture quality in terms of picture fidelity is something they are used to make the crowds ( at least the homecinema ones) pay for, regardless if production of oled is cheaper in the end. They gain much more bucks with marketing politics ensuring not to compete their own products rather then offering the best for thelowest price possible.

I think it will be a lot of fun to observe how LG, Samsung etc. react. I would bet that they have something in the pipeline already

Post by **ancjob** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:52 am

PalmerTech wrote:
ancjob wrote:does not look like there will be better ergonomic design - it's the same design
Why do you think that? The picture at the top is just a stock picture of an HMZ-T1, it is not a picture of the newer model.

any idea where to find the pics of new model ?
being in this HMD thing for long - my love for gadgets like these has not dwindled in the least....
that's another thing occasional 20 min use then in the box...will be the norm....but i still do love technology good/bad...gadgets to splurge on....wait did i forget the word "judiciously' oops...so naughty me..

by the time it will be in INDIA - hopefully it will have a different shape - same specs.....i believe!

Post by **PalmerTech** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:43 pm

ancjob wrote:any idea where to find the pics of new model ?

I doubt there are any pics, they have probably not even finalized the design yet. This is only the very first we have heard of it, so we will probably not be seeing pics for a while. Who knows, though, maybe they will show it off at CES! Sony has moved a lot faster than we expect, so who knows.

Post by **cybereality** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:45 pm

Even if this new model is for real, its still worth buying the one available now. You can wait forever if you always want something better.

Post by **STRZ** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:55 pm

That's what is going to happen if it's true that the update the model every year, like PC hardware, should i buy now or wait? Endless story..

Post by **pierreye** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:07 pm

Today I try out contact lens and found it is easier to focus on the screen plus less reflection. The screen looks slightly bigger without prescription glasses. The picture quality is really good compare to previous gen HMD. If you like 3D game which mostly in 720p, I don't see a reason waiting for 1080p model. Going to try out COD:MW3 tonight.

Post by **ancjob** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:33 am

i only sony were to sell their OLEDs - there will many HMDs from diff. companies [LG,Samsung,Epson etc] with great ergonomics as well.....may be my wishful thinking.....

is there gonna be a 1080p model from sony - is that true ?

what if Sony comes out with new models of 3d viewer every year....? - then waiting for the rt ergonimics will be the best at least for me....something like Lumus HMDs Design i 'd posted info of

Post by **pierreye** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:48 am

@Palmer - Do you think it is safe to use the below DC-DC stepdown regulator?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LM2596-DC-DC-St ... 3a6e07f161" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think the reason why I get shorter distance for ASUS WAVI is due to the output voltage is 10.5v from 12v connection. Wish to simplify the setup to below:

10.5v --> LM2596 regulator --> 5v 3A output straight into the processor box (after cut out the wiring from internal transformer).
19v --> step down willy cable --> 12v 3A powering ASUS WAVI.

Thanks in advance.

Post by **fireslayer26** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:32 pm

Found a disassembly video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAUA8blf ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **Synexious** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:56 pm

Where can I buy the Asus WAVI? I want to build the same setup as posted above. Is the WAVI not available in the US yet?

Post by **pierreye** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:15 pm

Only available either from eBay or amazon.co.uk. Last I checked amazon.co.uk is slightly cheaper than eBay.

Post by **Synexious** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:21 pm

Is it completely US compatible? Will I need a voltage converter? I wonder how it compares to the IOGEAR, which I found for $200 on Costco. I think it may be better.

Post by **pierreye** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:47 pm

You can use it with any 12v 2A DC adapter (UK version come with UK plug). I'm not sure if IOGear support 720p 3D framepack but you can check it out with return policy from Amazon.

Post by **Synexious** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:14 pm

Would the Razer Hydra be better than Wii Motion Plus, since the Hydra's more sensitive? Also, I found a Wii Remote Plus for $40 on Amazon. It has Wii Motion PLus integrated. Would that be the same? I assume it would; just wondering if there might be any compatibility issues. I ordered an Energizer XP18000 and was about to order the IOGEAR. It's $200 from Costco. I'll try to find out if it supports framepacking. What is framepacking, and what uses it? I want to play Xbox 360, PS3, and PC games in 3D.

Post by **cybereality** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:49 pm

Razer Hydra uses absolute tracking, so its going to be more accurate for certain purposes. The Wii Motion+ is probably good enough for gaming, though it may have some drift.

Post by **Synexious** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:37 pm

So will the Hydra work in 360 degrees? Should I get a Hydra instead of Motion Plus? Someone said the Hydra has problems with 360 degree setups.

Post by **WiredEarp** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:09 pm

The Hydra is really good, and accurate, and works fine on 360 degree setups. Currently the software lets it down a bit however when used with guns. Specifically, the 'gesture' support seems to only be towards the sensor/origin, so the gestures such as tilt gun left and right just don't work reliably when facing 180. Pointing gun up/down etc works fine. This is a bit annoying, cos its quite nice to be able to use the gestures. When using a Wiimote etc, because its relative not absolute, its probably much easier to get gestures to work when facing 180 degrees. The other advantage of a Wiimote is that it is wireless.

If gesture support is not important, I think the Razor is probably a better bet for a head tracker. This is because it supports absolute positioning (and magnetic sensors have a long history as being one of the best solutions for VR head tracking. You could use GlovePIE to output the head motion as TrackIR, then you would have a head tracker that would work with many games and be 100% positionally accurate. Mouse emulation always sounds nice, but in my experience its a bit of a PITA. The big advantage is the absolute positioning, so you will have zero drift.

Post by **pierreye** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:18 pm

Aphradonis wrote:Would the Razer Hydra be better than Wii Motion Plus, since the Hydra's more sensitive? Also, I found a Wii Remote Plus for $40 on Amazon. It has Wii Motion PLus integrated. Would that be the same? I assume it would; just wondering if there might be any compatibility issues. I ordered an Energizer XP18000 and was about to order the IOGEAR. It's $200 from Costco. I'll try to find out if it supports framepacking. What is framepacking, and what uses it? I want to play Xbox 360, PS3, and PC games in 3D.

@Aphradonis - Based on the glovePIE forum, it seems that Wii Motion Plus integrated might not 100% compatible based on part no. The safest bet is to get a normal wiimote + motionplus.

Framepacking is the HDMI 1.4 3D Standard and PS3 and PC (using Nvidia 3DTV Play) do support this standard. Not sure about XBox 360 but from what I heard it support TnB format which HMZ-T1 do support.