Can someone pass the popcorn.

Like this?

Were gonna build another DeathStar. Okay, I'm onboard with that.

It will work.

Actually, we will need to build 3 DeathStars. One red, one green, and one blue.

Put down that pop corn!
I want you to speculate about the Apple TV! Will it be passive? Will it be propeller?

No secret, I hope it comes with propeller...!

http://www.geekculture.com/geekcultures ... iProp.html

...ok,,,,

if you have that popcorn over there somewhere
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... 112&page=2



this guy ,,,, this guy,,, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
*agononizes and dies*

I didn't know popcorn was that dangerous. Pretzels yes ! but popcorn...

Dude paid close to half a million dollars to watch 2D content with real-time automagical conversion?!?!?! Damn, if I had that kinda money I'd build THE FRIGGIN' MATRIX!!!!!

Well I think 3D Blu-rays on my home 50" panasonic plasma look better than my local theaters. And my local theaters use high end Christie DLP tech. But I have no way of proving this through links or other technical specs. But it is my honest opinion. And last years LG 3D displays were dissapointing to me. I cant say for the new passive displays. Though I'd like to here good thing about them.

cheers everyone

Yes, the big screen 3D HDTVs look far better than the movie theaters. I have watched clips of Avatar on a 60" Panasonic Viera, and also a number of movies on a 60" Sony Bravia (Meatballs, Alice, Shrek, etc.), all movies I have seen in the theater and they looked better on the HDTV.

with plasma, brightness is so low, I wouldn't call that white, white.

Same thing really with silverscreen projectors, thats not really white, at least some meaningful figures.

RGB LED , properly excited phosphor ( no plasma), laser... That's where it's at.

FYI, today's LED TV's monitors arent white either, cheapo LED's have way too much blue spectral stuff going on , hence ppl bitching about it.

Most newer LED backlight based TVs these days are pure white, probably even closer than your average metal halide projector lamp. The "blueish LED" problem only exists with cheap LEDs, TV backlights most commonly use very nice LEDs that are manufactured by Nichia, and they are engineered to provide nearly flawless white light for most of their effective lifespan (Which is in the 10,000+ hour range, minimum).

This can be improved with pulsed operation, Phlatlight leds supposed to do 100.000 in pulsed operation , and maybe 20k in constant lit up mode. So hold operation is bad, again. ^^

Blue stuff: theres a guy here ( console gamer) , went out and measured TV's input lag and stuff, each he could find, and he said each is blue.

He wanted to buy LCD, admitted these are time machines, went with plasma, went mad because phosphor burn in, I don't know what he has now! Fun fact: serious tekken pro-players still use CRT.*

Yes I saw papers about white LED's, they used nanotechnology, looked decent! I don't know if cheap LED's are any decent, but LED TV manufacturers are reusing CCFL nowdays anyway.

Maybe Apple can afford those cool LED's, but I'm not sure I want to afford anything with colorfilters.

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nice CRT there too. BTW Im building speakers like those ATM.

bought LG D2342P-PN posted a small review for those interested here -> viewtopic.php?f=116&t=13125 after 14th post & next.

Probably gonna give this monitor a try since it's available from Walmart and I can return it in 2 weeks if I don't like it.

Since you only see half the normal resolution per eye do you get better performance/fps than full resolution solutions like shutter and anaglyph?

I just ordered this monitor from Amazon.com. Their free shipping seemed faster (expect monitor by mid to late next week). Will be nice to be back to real 3d. Had an IZ3D monitor that burnt out about 9 months ago. As much as I liked to IZ3D community, I was very disappointed that the monitor only lasted 2.25 years. I expect more from a monitor that that. Look forward to how this monitor compares.

I've got one of these coming tomorrow. It'll be my first 3D display, as well. I love the effect on 3DS, and I'm hoping this'll blow me away even more.

Internally I think it still renders 2 full views. It just throws away half the pixels so performance is the same as anaglyph/page-flip/etc..

@ neol
Sweet informative review!!!

As FPR is always on ( Its Thin Polarization Film which continuously polarize interleaved lines ( as i understand FPR : correct me if i am wrong!) and you can see some criticism in link below

http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/articles/20 ... iewing.php

my few questions are

1) How different this monitor looks in 2D when compared to normal LED monitor? is it grainy? can you notice lines even when 3d is off?
2) How much light is scarificed in 2D mode? compared to normal LED?
3) How is your experince in gaming? say Avatar or Crysis2 or Batman Akhram Asylum?
4) Is it not difficult to adjust as hight adjustment is absent?
5) Does it look satisfactory form 50 Cm?
6) How are pop out effects?

Hope given so many questions doesn't trouble you much

Thanks in advance
Regards

Ever saw DLP ?

I bet schools have 3d DLP.

Maybe make two DIY silverscreens , not only one, sell them a silverscreen and try DLP too while you re at it.

And what does DLP have anything to do with this LG monitor?

first in first the link does not say much except for "sacrifice of light" thats it. the same does not apply to this monitor. probably the reviewer made an assumption having an extra layer on display will reduce the brightness/quality of the picture.
don't believe everything u read on net or reviews say. Most of the reviewers don't know wtf they are writing and secondly they write up reviews based on assumptions on product site/other reviews unless someone manually checks the product and puts up a decent review of the same exact product provided with proper settings & other stuff.

personally I don't see any sacrifice made in 2D mode. Infact I had to reduce the brightness while watching HD movies or gaming & in dark the picture is even brighter.

Thank you!!

Have seen demo of LG 42LW5700 Cinema 3D TV just today at store.

Ironic we have LG 42LW5700 availble in india and not D2342P-PN Monitor? That too at ridiculous price tag (2043 US$) 'LG' Bad Policy...

Yes, for TV its really amazing! product demo video shows some clips of street, a dog & Frisbee play
some clips of Opera and yes confirmed there is no light sacrifice good Z+ even better to Active shutter systems

You can notice lines in green and light colors in particular but must be beacouse HDMI cable only supports 1280X720P hence on 42" its understandable to notice lines but it was light on eyes no strain 'good product' - sheds are little shabby(No good build quality)

Think all must be same with monitor too

Is it possible to use a nVidia card+3DTV Play+Dual link DVI to have 60hz 1080P on this monitor or I'm stuck with 24hz?

Current HDMI 1.4a hardware only supports 60Hz when in 720P. However the IZ3D and DDD driver should have no problem running at 60Hz with 1080P (interleaved).

You mean 1080i? Hopefully 1.4b will have 60hz 1080P support.

No, its a true 1080P @ 60Hz signal, just of an interleaved image. That is different than 1080i. 1080i is interlaced, which is based on 60 fields per second, not frames. Although they seem somewhat similar, in actuality they are different things.

Oh you meant interlaced by the monitor? I thought you said the signal was interlaced. But when you said 60hz 1080P from iZ3D and DDD you meant from Dual link DVI right? I don't think HDMI 1.4a can physically output at that rate.

line interleaved is a half-resolution method, as is tb, sbs, and checkerboard. that means that both L and R views combined take up the same bandwith as 1080p or 720p stream. 1080i is field sequential whereas line-interleaved displays both views at the same time, ALL the time.

It can be either HDMI or DVI, since it is basically just a regular 1080P image. The issue is with 1080P frame-packing, which is actually double 1080P resolution. Interleaved combines both views into one frame (aka frame-compatible) so it uses the same bandwidth as a 2D signal.

Hdmi 1.4a already has stereo 1080p 60Hz support via frame packing, it's just not mandatory.

Hi buddies, I wanna buy this monitor, but my question is: will it work with xbox 360 (eg. Crysis 2 Side-by-Side via hdmi), will it convert sbs to the 3d?

Finally purchased D2342P after spending really lot time in search for good product + best price
Indeed good monitor and i am able to buy one at 280US$=INRs which is best deal i could ever get in INDIA

My Few findings:

Decent view angle and yes it really requires you to be 60Cm away from monitor to get best 3D effects so you require to seat little away from monitor.

Very light monitor but little wobbly on stand (still it does not collapses though it makes you fear so) screen is non gloss,Provided shades are good for regular ones. clip-on should have frame around glass (Zalman is good enough here).

Yes you can notice small lines when you are say 20 Cm near to screen (Approx ) ( some thing you might have seen with PS2+34" CRT TVs) but nothing practically killing joy if you seat 60Cm away they are barely noticeable. Nothing like 1/2 resolution kill joy of 3D as you got to see it to believe it (Specially for those who think half resolution is worst for 3d Gaming)

All demo photograph displayed very good 3D effect for videos well best i found that displayed gaming demo (Lots of +Z depth LOL!)


@ Cybereality, Blackshark
I have small confusion now:
My system i am going to build for this is as follows:

Intel Core i5 2400 Pr,MB-DH67BL,Ram Corsair 2X2GB DDR3 1600,1TB WD HDD,Sony DVD RW,

Which graphic card well perform better with DDD Drivers

1) MSI NVIDIA Geforce GTX560 Twin frozer II 1GB GDDR5
2) ASUS RADEON EAH6870/2DI2S/1GD5

In past when i had P4 1.6 i have noticed that DDD drivers & IZ3D drivers use to do lots of mess with NVIDIA forceware installed ( I had Geforce 6600 forceware 94). when i use to turn on DDD 3d (Interlace mode) in Titan Quest it automatically turns on Anaglyph3D of NVIDIA. IZ3D never been friendly for me.

also read so many things about AMD HD3D does Radeon now more better with DDD & IZ3D Drivers but fairly i don understand much HD3D. Even if i go to ATI path most of review shows GTX560 has more firepower compared to 6870 so i don want to loose Even for non 3D gaming

What will be better choice ???

If you are planning on using IZ3D/DDD then compatibility should be the same with either Nvidia or AMD. DDD used to have issues with the Nvidia driver, but that has since been fixed. Personally I would go with the GTX 560, simply because I have been die-hard Nvidia for years. But I'm sure the 6870 would be adequate as well.

Hey, I got a quick question.

I also got the D2342P-PN and hooked it up to my machine on the DVI port. For some reason, I can't get the 3D feature to work. The 3D-Mode selector in the OSD-Menu, where you can usualy select if you have a line-interlaced or a side-by-side 3D picture, is always disabled and grayed out. No matter what I do. I also did a factory reset but that had no effect.

I tried to contact LG support but I haven't gotten a response in two weeks now. Now I am trying to get some help on the net before I will return it to the store.

Thanks for your help in advance.

You have to connect your monitor to PC by hdmi, after that 3d-mode selector will work. It only work when you are using hdmi port.

Its a passive monitor. You don't have to "enable" 3D. Its always on (its physically part of the display). Just put the glasses on your face, thats the 3D mode. Then use software that supports interleaved mode (iz3D, DDD, Stereoscopic Player, YouTube3D, etc.). You can also use an HDMI 1.4a source, like a PS3, and that is likely what will enable the "3D mode" but the quality will not be any better than feeding it an interleaved 3D image.

Does anyone have issues with 24p? It seems to do a nice job (it even seems to flicker the backlight) but I have serious sharpness issues - it is all pixelated and ugly almost like it is only rendering half the pixels (in 2d mode). Swapping 3D mode improves things but makes it just as blurry as normal swaped l-r is. I tried manually adding 48Hz and it works correctly but HDCP doesn't seem to work and I just get a black screen when trying to play a blu ray on TotalMediaTheatre 3. I don't care too much about 24p (never bothered me on my old monitor that didn't support it) but it would be nice to have it working - all other refresh rates apart from '23Hz' (23.976) /24Hz work correctly; though the de-interlacing is absolutely terribly on interlaced (seems to be a particularly bad simple bob).

Using NVIDIA 275.33 with GTX 460, on a literally fresh install of Windows 7 64bit (just reinstalled windows a few minutes ago for other reasons). Not sure whether the screen is defective or it is a driver or compatibility issue (unfortunately don't have an actual blu-ray player to test).