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cybereality
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Well a 6600GT ain't gonna cut it for 3D gaming. A GTX 460 will be a huge leap forward.
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| Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:27 pm |
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Burbruee
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http://www.alternate.de/html/solrSearch ... uctDetailsHm, I might want to get this instead of the Zalman now.. 27", that's what I wanted all along.
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| Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:44 am |
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tritosine5G
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Ever saw 3d lcd ?
Im really puzzled why people buy even 3 of those . Really puzzled.
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| Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:52 am |
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cybereality
3D Angel Eyes (Moderator)
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I hear that Acer is an alright display. Not the best thing that was ever made, but still competitive with other solutions and there is nothing else in that size unless you move toward HDTVs. You can read a review here: http://3dvision-blog.com/review-of-the- ... d-monitor/@tritosine: I know you are stuck on this CRT thing, but when did they ever make a CRT monitor that was 27" wide-screen and could maintain 120Hz at 1080P resolutions? I really don't think that happened.
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| Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:41 am |
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Burbruee
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cybereality wrote: I hear that Acer is an alright display. Not the best thing that was ever made, but still competitive with other solutions and there is nothing else in that size unless you move toward HDTVs. You can read a review here: http://3dvision-blog.com/review-of-the- ... d-monitor/@tritosine: I know you are stuck on this CRT thing, but when did they ever make a CRT monitor that was 27" wide-screen and could maintain 120Hz at 1080P resolutions? I really don't think that happened. Yep, already read that review. I was looking through his blog this morning and that's how I found out about that monitor. Still debating whether I should save up for it or if I should just go with the 24" Zalman. I generally don't like flicker and expensive glasses that run on batteries. I've had enough of that with these eDimensionals and the CRT I'm using now. And with the Zalman there's the half vertical resolution which I'm able to "preview" right now since ED does both interlaced and pageflip and it doesn't bother me on high resolutions like 1600x1200. However I've not really been able to try out pageflip since I can't ever get it to sync even with fps>60 for more than half a second, feels like it's flipping the fields over and over again I'm guessing it's got something to do with either the ED activator or iZ3D. Only time it somewhat works with pageflip is at 60 Hz but then the flickering is horrible.
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| Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:08 am |
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cybereality
3D Angel Eyes (Moderator)
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Well the Zalman is not a bad choice. You will probably be happy with either. Personally, I've been using Zalman for 3 years and I am excited to make the jump to full-resolution 1080P 3D. I'm looking at getting the Planar 23" 3D Vision monitor, supposedly the best 3D LCD monitor out there. But I still enjoy the Zalman. The half-resolution thing is not as bad as people think, but it is certainly noticeable. However I watch 3D Blu-Ray on it, and it looks pretty close to full quality (just a little softer/blurrier but the 3D effect is great). My main complaint with the Zalman is the viewing angles. They are extremely low and it becomes a chore to position yourself correctly. Even if you are stilling still, little things like the chair seat slowly dropping will cause ghosting (meaning you have to adjust the seat or the angle of the monitor). This might happen once or twice while watching a movie. Not a huge deal, but still annoying. It also means its harder for multiple people to view the monitor, and using it from a distance doesn't really work (like laying on a bed for example). I still like it, but it has its quirks. The main reason I've stuck with it is due to the amazing compatibility with just about every piece of software out there. 3D Vision is still lacking since you are stuck with Nvidia. But I am pretty certain the 3D Vision should be a significant step up from the quality on the Zalman. 27" is a nice size also.
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| Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:15 pm |
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Burbruee
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cybereality wrote: My main complaint with the Zalman is the viewing angles. They are extremely low and it becomes a chore to position yourself correctly. It also means its harder for multiple people to view the monitor, and using it from a distance doesn't really work (like laying on a bed for example). This is the only thing that worries me. I was hoping to get another family member to watch some 3D movies with me from the couch with the monitor on my desk. (approx. 3 meters away, which is why 27" would be better) Would it be impossible at that distance even with the Zalman being height and tilt adjustable and if we sit right next to each other? Worst case scenario I have to put the monitor on the coffee-table while watching movies which would put it at normal distance for a monitor. 
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| Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:00 pm |
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cybereality
3D Angel Eyes (Moderator)
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The thing is, it is not so much about the distance as it is the angle. If you are sitting in a chair directly in front of the monitor (meaning your eye level is in the middle of the monitor and it is in the center of your view) then it looks fine. However very rarely will your couch be absolutely on the same level and centered with your monitor. So this can be a problem. I am not saying its impossible, you can probably make it work somehow. Its just not an ideal situation. While you can adjust the tilt of the monitor, its only adjusted toward you. If you family is not the exact same height as you are, then their eyes will be on a different level and thus get more ghosting. The best case is if a single person is to sit directly in front and center of it. I know even the 3D Vision monitors have a limited viewing angle, but it should be a lot wider than the Zalman. I'm not trying to scare you away or anything, the Zalman is still a nice kit. But its something buyers should be aware of. If you really want to just watch movies with the family, then get a 3D HDTV. They are much better suited for the task. Although the 27" Acer might be a good compromise.
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Burbruee
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Right, didn't think about difference in height between the people watching. However only about 2 inches differs so maybe I could make it work somehow.
I think 27" is a good size to have as both a pc monitor and for watching movies, so maybe I should save up for it.. but again the extra glasses are very expensive just for a guest to be able to watch. The Zalman comes with two pairs (I wear glasses so clip-ons for me)
Also for gaming 3DVision requires a lot more resources, I'd rather do half resolution and get 10-20 fps more. A 25 or 27 inch Zalman would have been the best solution for me, I wouldn't have such a hard time deciding if they made one.
3D HDTVs are $1500 minumum and over 40 inches, it's out of my price range and I'm searching for a monitor not a TV. I'll definitely get one in the future though, but that could be years from now.
No, I'm pretty sure I will go with the Zalman monitor, it should only be a couple of more weeks before I can afford one and then I will let you know what I think about it.
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| Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:12 pm |
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cybereality
3D Angel Eyes (Moderator)
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Well for your price range you are not going to do much better than the 24" Zalman. If you had more to spend then there could be better options like 3D HDTVs. But those HDTVs don't make good computer monitors, so you would still need a second monitor for daily browsing/work, etc. Although for $500 you could also get the Asus VG236H 23" 3D Vision monitor (includes glasses): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6824236092 . I am not sure how good that looks compared to the 24" Zalman (I haven't seen either of them) but it is a comparable option.
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Burbruee
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I'm now looking at the LG W2363D 23" monitor, and it looks like an okay monitor. From what I hear it has no input lag and little crosstalk. It's also bright to compensate for the glasses. Found it really cheap, so I can buy it tomorrow if I want to, and the glasses in a couple of weeks. Unless there are any objections I think I'm going with this monitor. I was also looking at the Asus VG236H which is height and swivel adjustable and might overall be the better monitor of the two but like I said I found the LG really cheap. 
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Fredz
Golden Eyed Wiseman! (or woman!)
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Burbruee wrote: I'm now looking at the LG W2363D 23" monitor, and it looks like an okay monitor. From what I hear it has no input lag and little crosstalk. It's also bright to compensate for the glasses. Depends on what you call little crosstalk :  You can also have a look at the two reviews here : http://3dvision-blog.com/review-of-the- ... g-monitor/http://www.digitalversus.com/lg-flatron ... 04_35.htmlBurbruee wrote: I was also looking at the Asus VG236H which is height and swivel adjustable and might overall be the better monitor of the two but like I said I found the LG really cheap.  Ghosting for the Asus VG236H : 
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cybereality
3D Angel Eyes (Moderator)
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That LG model looks alright. Maybe not as good as the Planar, but if the price is right that could be a nice option. The ASUS looks pretty bad in comparison, I hadn't seen that shot before.
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Burbruee
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Just ordered the LG. Should be sent out today and arrive tomorrow. 3D Vision package will follow in ~2 weeks or so. 
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| Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:32 pm |
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cybereality
3D Angel Eyes (Moderator)
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Nice. Let us know how that goes.
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Fredz
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Seems like a good choice, on all reviews it looks second best to the Planar, but a lot better than any other 3D LCD monitor. That ghosting in the lower right angle with the DDD pattern is quite alarming though, but it seems while in game it's not that awful. I you have some time in your hands we you receive it, feel free to post pictures of that DDD image to see if the ghosting is as localized as it seems.
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tritosine5G
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32" OCB LCD was said to come out last year, and we still have press releases claiming its coming this year. Quote: Brightness: 1400 cd/m2 in a 12,1’’ display with 176º viewing angle at 13,2 watts. Even, it can achieve values of 3.430 cd/m2 at 30 watts. Spending 5-600 on TN display might not be the smartest move right now, it can't even do RGB right let alone 3D .
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Burbruee
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3D Vision kit arrived today.  Not sure what to think of it yet.
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cybereality
3D Angel Eyes (Moderator)
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Burbruee wrote: 3D Vision kit arrived today.  Not sure what to think of it yet. Please try it out for a couple of days and come back and let us know how it goes. Feel free to ask any questions you may have.
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Burbruee
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Where can I find that ghosting test? I've installed TriDef trial but I can't find it.
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cybereality
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Fredz
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The one that everyone is using for ghosting comparisons : http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php? ... hla505p65r
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