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3dvision interleaved 3d on active and passives :)
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Two Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:30 am Posts: 88 
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goemon wrote: so this 1080p 60fps people are talking about here is interlaced half resolution so it would be no better than 1280p? so this signal type cuts 1080p in half to 540, then i put my FPR glasses on and it drops to 270 lines? doesnt make sense to me but i guess i dont need an explanation because if the signal is half of 1080p then i think 1280p is better because at least i will get better frame rates in games that way. I think you mean 720p? I have watched 720p movie rips that are squished side-by-side, which results in my TV only displaying 1/4 of the original image to each eye and find the quality acceptable. I have also spent a good amount of time gaming in 720p60 and have found it enjoyable. When you are talking about 1080p, the frames are rendered at a full 1920x1080. The display can only show you half of those lines for each eye, simultaneously. Now, whether this is detrimental to the image quality, it is obvious that at any given moment, each eye is only getting half the image. The question is whether or not this is better than one eye getting the whole image and the other a black screen? Passive is inherently brighter, has no sync issues, and honestly, left/right eye images are usually so similar that the "in-between" spaces are easily filled by your brain when viewing the display. Active vs. Passive has been long debated and is up to you to decide which you prefer. "Half resolution" is not the same as 540p. In fact, the reason why I keep putting it in quotes is because it is more of a conception of the general public than an actual aspect of stereoscopic display methodology. http://stijndewitt.wordpress.com/2012/0 ... revisited/ |
| Mon May 21, 2012 3:47 pm |
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One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:56 pm Posts: 17
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haha yeah ive been reading so much about 3d resolutions lately that i must be getting my numbers mixed up. 720p is what i meant instead of 1280p.
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| Mon May 21, 2012 4:34 pm |
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One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:30 pm Posts: 5
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3dvision interleaved working great here. I'm using two GTX 470s in SLI and I have 3d vision working on a LG 55 inch 55LW5600 at 1080p.
There really is no reason to upgrade to the newer model LG passive tvs as of yet if you already have the 2010-2011 models because they have not introduced anything new that affect line-interleaved gaming that I could tell. If you do get a good deal on the newer tvs and do not have 3d yet, then go for it, the tv size alone makes it easy to get immersed into the game. LG fixes so far completed on this tv, Lag input-fixed Colorbug-fixed Greyscale ghosting-wip 3d stereo imaged reversed-wip, *takbal has a solution for this Vizio's tv work correctly without problems because they are already set to the similar Zalman/Acer even/odd patterns. Fullscreen 3D AR adjusted playback with any source O/U, SBS material-fixed One year ago when I bought this tv, I only wanted to fix the colorbug on this tv. Over the course of a year, together with the community, we got a ton of extra addons and mods to this tv that make it even better than it worked originally. Thanks to the guys that made this happen. |
| Thu May 31, 2012 5:30 am |
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Cross Eyed!
Joined: Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:07 am Posts: 173 Location: Hungary
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"LG fixes so far completed on this tv"
You mean, on LW5600 you don't have colorbug, and input lag? With the latest firmware? I have the LW5500, would it work also? I hate input lag which i have now  thx |
| Thu May 31, 2012 6:59 am |
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One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:31 pm Posts: 3
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After reading through the posts here, I think I'm beginning to grasp the idea. Now I'm on the verge of buying a (passive) 3DTV to compliment my excellent Optoma HD33 pj, been looking at the Philips LED 42PFL4307, which is on sale. I can bring it back to the store within 8 days, so I'm inclined to give it a shot, unless you guys think it's not going to work.
In that case, any recommendations on sets which are for sale at this moment? Thanks a bunch.. |
| Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:44 pm |
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One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:31 pm Posts: 3
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Never mind, I tried a new Philips set, but passive 3D simply looks horrible, even interleaved 1080p. There is just no beating active shutterglasses it seems.
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| Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:57 am |
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Two Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:30 am Posts: 88
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i am sorry that you had a poor experience.
personally, wearing glasses over my own glasses is a significant drawback. the 3D on my tv seems to work well enough for me and the clip-ons are very easy to use. |
| Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:10 am |
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One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:31 pm Posts: 3
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bgnome wrote: i am sorry that you had a poor experience. personally, wearing glasses over my own glasses is a significant drawback. the 3D on my tv seems to work well enough for me and the clip-ons are very easy to use. I totaly get the advantages over shutterglass, I own an Optoma HD33 but with only 2 sets of (expensive) glasses watching a 3D movie with a crowd is not possible. But this TV I bought 100% for gaming, and I was shocked at the quality loss, I couldn't play on it, the low res was just to distracting. The strain of active glasses doesn't botter me as much as I thought it would, judging I can play for hours on the Optoma without any trouble. Which leaves very little incentive to go for passive. I guess we'll have to wait until the next generation of HDMI / resolutions comes along. If 1080p becomes 2160p, you can effectively watch passive 3D in FULL HD 1080p. |
| Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:08 am |
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One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Sun May 10, 2009 2:37 am Posts: 4
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I just found a solution how to swapping eye with 3DVISION.
http://3dvision-blog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2206 Woohooooo..... cool! Now I don't have to flip my 3D Glasses anymore!  |
| Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:08 pm |
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3D Angel Eyes (Moderator)  Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:18 pm Posts: 10155
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takbal wrote: This post is useful for people who are using the .inf hack with NVidia 3D Vision as descibed in http://3dvision-blog.com/forum/viewtopi ... =13&t=2042 or viewtopic.php?f=115&t=13821, but have the eyes swapped, and they seek a more elegant solution than gluing their own glasses. The problem is these displays (like my Toshiba 42VL863) are using a different interleaving pattern than the Zalman or the Acer passive monitors. Fortunately, the pattern can be specified in the registry, but the keys must be protected. After the .inf hack was applied and the display is working with the swapped eyes, open regedt32.exe and find the NVidia Stereo3D settings. ON my Windows 7 64-bit machine it is at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D, I guess in 32-bit OS it is going to be at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D. Now find the keys 'InterleavePattern0' and 'InterleavePattern1', and modify their values from 0x00ff00ff to 0xff00ff00. You are not finished yet, as 'nvSCPAPISvr.exe' will overwrite these values all the time when the drivers are launched. You have to deny delete and set operations for SYSTEM to keep these values unmodified. On my Win7 it goes as follows: Right-click on the Stereo3D folder in the registry, then click the followings: Permissions..., Advanced, Add..., Advanced..., Find Now, choose 'SYSTEM' from the list, Ok, Ok, tick 'Set Value' row and 'Deny' column, tick 'Delete' row and 'Deny' column, tick 'Apply these permissions...', Ok. Now the driver will not overwrite these values. Enjoy your regular glasses. The issue with this solution is that access to the registry must be enabled whenever settings in the control panel are changed, or per-game settings are saved, or before a new driver is installed. Maybe there is a way to binary hack nvSCPAPISvr.exe, or to find a way to force it to apply a different interleave pattern, but as I rarely touch my 3D Vision settings, I am happy with this solution. Hope you find it useful! I have quoted the instructions so its not lost. Also, thanks for posting the link ujangjampang. _________________  |
| Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:50 pm |
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One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:09 pm Posts: 14
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cybereality wrote: takbal wrote: This post is useful for people who are using the .inf hack with NVidia 3D Vision as descibed in http://3dvision-blog.com/forum/viewtopi ... =13&t=2042 or viewtopic.php?f=115&t=13821, but have the eyes swapped, and they seek a more elegant solution than gluing their own glasses. The problem is these displays (like my Toshiba 42VL863) are using a different interleaving pattern than the Zalman or the Acer passive monitors. Fortunately, the pattern can be specified in the registry, but the keys must be protected. After the .inf hack was applied and the display is working with the swapped eyes, open regedt32.exe and find the NVidia Stereo3D settings. ON my Windows 7 64-bit machine it is at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D, I guess in 32-bit OS it is going to be at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D. Now find the keys 'InterleavePattern0' and 'InterleavePattern1', and modify their values from 0x00ff00ff to 0xff00ff00. You are not finished yet, as 'nvSCPAPISvr.exe' will overwrite these values all the time when the drivers are launched. You have to deny delete and set operations for SYSTEM to keep these values unmodified. On my Win7 it goes as follows: Right-click on the Stereo3D folder in the registry, then click the followings: Permissions..., Advanced, Add..., Advanced..., Find Now, choose 'SYSTEM' from the list, Ok, Ok, tick 'Set Value' row and 'Deny' column, tick 'Delete' row and 'Deny' column, tick 'Apply these permissions...', Ok. Now the driver will not overwrite these values. Enjoy your regular glasses. The issue with this solution is that access to the registry must be enabled whenever settings in the control panel are changed, or per-game settings are saved, or before a new driver is installed. Maybe there is a way to binary hack nvSCPAPISvr.exe, or to find a way to force it to apply a different interleave pattern, but as I rarely touch my 3D Vision settings, I am happy with this solution. Hope you find it useful! I have quoted the instructions so its not lost. Also, thanks for posting the link ujangjampang. takbal has posted this information on this forum here quite some time ago: viewtopic.php?f=115&t=14912 I think you should give him credit for that. |
| Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:11 pm |
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3D Angel Eyes (Moderator) Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:18 pm Posts: 10155
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Blackbelter wrote: I think you should give him credit for that. He was given credit, look at the name on the quoted text. _________________ |
| Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:15 pm |
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One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Sun May 10, 2009 2:37 am Posts: 4
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3D Angel Eyes (Moderator) Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:18 pm Posts: 10155
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I'm posting the rollermod here, since this is the closest thread I can find. Should enable the use of checkerboard TVs with the Nvidia drivers:
Attachment: RollerMod.rar You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. _________________ |
| Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:49 am |
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Two Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:19 am Posts: 78
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cybereality wrote: I'm posting the rollermod here, since this is the closest thread I can find. Should enable the use of checkerboard TVs with the Nvidia drivers: Attachment: RollerMod.rar Cool, Thanks I can't test this now as i do'nt have a passive but i can confirm it would work with no colourbug on a 55lm760t as it is the first passive 3dtv from lg i've seen with no colourbug with a stock edid, they finally fixed the issue for this model, interleaved and checkerboard work now! Sadly it had too much blur so off it went and in came the 46es8000, rollers checkerboard rules, my games look crisp as on this active set! _________________ Samsung ps51e6500, Acer h5360bd + 80" fixed screen Sli Gigabyte gtx670 Windforce x3 Intel 3770k Oc'd + Noctua Nh-D14 Asus Sabertooth Z77 8gb 2133mhz Crucial Smart Tracers Oc'd Ocz Vertex 4 128gb 1tb Samsung F3 Coolermaster HafX Demciflex full Magnetic Filter Set Home 5.1 Surround Sound Coolermaster Sirus 5.1 Headset |
| Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:00 pm |
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Two Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:19 am Posts: 78
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Going to update this, i do'nt know if it has been covered elsewhere, i can't find any info.
I'm a tool, i was allready running the acer mod before i went to this samsung es8000. First it was the 3dvision emu does'nt work on new drivers, second i got the 3dvision clone kit and forgot about the red overlay in checkerboard, bugger. Just for the fun of it i tested out interleaved on the es8000 fully expecting it to reduce my displays fps to 30fps for each eye. Bugger me timbers and blow me overboard!!!! The edid trick for passive works 100% with a solid 60fps in game and a possible 120hz display hz, i'm shocked beyond belief that a active set can do 120hz with interleaved and give each eye at least 60hz=60fps, wonder what the actual 3d refresh rate is of the es8000. _________________ Samsung ps51e6500, Acer h5360bd + 80" fixed screen Sli Gigabyte gtx670 Windforce x3 Intel 3770k Oc'd + Noctua Nh-D14 Asus Sabertooth Z77 8gb 2133mhz Crucial Smart Tracers Oc'd Ocz Vertex 4 128gb 1tb Samsung F3 Coolermaster HafX Demciflex full Magnetic Filter Set Home 5.1 Surround Sound Coolermaster Sirus 5.1 Headset |
| Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:48 am |
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One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:55 am Posts: 2
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butmunch wrote: Going to update this, i do'nt know if it has been covered elsewhere, i can't find any info. I'm a tool, i was allready running the acer mod before i went to this samsung es8000. First it was the 3dvision emu does'nt work on new drivers, second i got the 3dvision clone kit and forgot about the red overlay in checkerboard, bugger. Just for the fun of it i tested out interleaved on the es8000 fully expecting it to reduce my displays fps to 30fps for each eye. Bugger me timbers and blow me overboard!!!! The edid trick for passive works 100% with a solid 60fps in game and a possible 120hz display hz, i'm shocked beyond belief that a active set can do 120hz with interleaved and give each eye at least 60hz=60fps, wonder what the actual 3d refresh rate is of the es8000. I can confirm this works perfectly fine with the active Samsung LCD UE D8005 series as well (previous model to the ES8000)! I think this will work fine with any 3D TV which can manage interlaced 3D input, active or passive. You will need to kick the 3D in manually though via hotkey and on the TV on mine. On my TV I also needed to change the input name on my 1st HDMI/DVI input to "DVI PC" to be able to select the interlaced 3D input option manually (no idea why that is). Before I had only side by side and stacked, after changing the name I have interlaced (horisontal and vertical), checkerboard and frame sequential options as well. Feels awesome to finally being able to play in 1080p 60hz in 3D on a large screen!! I have been looking for this for over 2 years now! |
| Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:07 am |
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Two Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:19 am Posts: 78
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TheRoggan wrote: butmunch wrote: Going to update this, i do'nt know if it has been covered elsewhere, i can't find any info. I'm a tool, i was allready running the acer mod before i went to this samsung es8000. First it was the 3dvision emu does'nt work on new drivers, second i got the 3dvision clone kit and forgot about the red overlay in checkerboard, bugger. Just for the fun of it i tested out interleaved on the es8000 fully expecting it to reduce my displays fps to 30fps for each eye. Bugger me timbers and blow me overboard!!!! The edid trick for passive works 100% with a solid 60fps in game and a possible 120hz display hz, i'm shocked beyond belief that a active set can do 120hz with interleaved and give each eye at least 60hz=60fps, wonder what the actual 3d refresh rate is of the es8000. I can confirm this works perfectly fine with the active Samsung LCD UE D8005 series as well (previous model to the ES8000)! I think this will work fine with any 3D TV which can manage interlaced 3D input, active or passive. You will need to kick the 3D in manually though via hotkey and on the TV on mine. On my TV I also needed to change the input name on my 1st HDMI/DVI input to "DVI PC" to be able to select the interlaced 3D input option manually (no idea why that is). Before I had only side by side and stacked, after changing the name I have interlaced (horisontal and vertical), checkerboard and frame sequential options as well. Feels awesome to finally being able to play in 1080p 60hz in 3D on a large screen!! I have been looking for this for over 2 years now! Hi, checkerboard is now part of 3dtvplay and the new beta drivers from nvidia  , thats a better option than interleaved allthough for the latter you need no 3dtvplay or an emmitter._________________ Samsung ps51e6500, Acer h5360bd + 80" fixed screen Sli Gigabyte gtx670 Windforce x3 Intel 3770k Oc'd + Noctua Nh-D14 Asus Sabertooth Z77 8gb 2133mhz Crucial Smart Tracers Oc'd Ocz Vertex 4 128gb 1tb Samsung F3 Coolermaster HafX Demciflex full Magnetic Filter Set Home 5.1 Surround Sound Coolermaster Sirus 5.1 Headset |
| Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:38 pm |
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One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:18 pm Posts: 2
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Does this mean active shutter lenses can be used with passive monitors under 120hz?
I have tried this inf swap on my acer gr235h and achieved shutter lenses be active on the glasses, but with a flashing screen and blurred images. (that might be interleaving that the lenses don't get rid off.) I constantly get the using non stereo display mode red writing. It's at 720p and 59hz actively flashing (no real 3d though) etc.. The triangle an hexagon wizard fails to show a both icons individually. Or does it just mean 3dvision software can work with passive glasses on passive monitors. |
| Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:53 pm |
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3D Angel Eyes (Moderator) Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:18 pm Posts: 10155
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Active shutter glasses will only work on 120Hz screens that are made for 3D. They will not work on passive screens or with passive, totally different things. There was a hack for Nvidia that allowed people to use passive glasses on passive displays (inteleaved). Not sure if that still work.
But anyway, if you have a passive display you should try the DDD TriDef drivers, they work well on passive. _________________ |
| Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:02 pm |
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One Eyed Hopeful
Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:18 pm Posts: 2
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Yes the tridef drivers are pretty good. But they're not active 3d. I found games like the Witcher 2 it goes out of sync in the background if the foreground is showing good.
It depends the actual proper 3d content isn't at all bad. Actually I managed to read somewhere that my monitor does 120hz. But I don't believe it does. It becomes clearer the more you read about stuff, like requiring dual dvi for active 3d computing. Reading the setup rates on the monitors comparatively. 120hz is a xvga or something setting not an hdmi setting. I'm wondering about buying a 120hz monitor or even a projector, but I don't know how good projector images are, like how well does a projector resolution compare to a monitor resolution. Plus, at high resolution, you can't actually sit particularly to close or too far from a monitor. Thanks. Things were quite hopeful for a minute, you can get active shuttering to process with a edid hack, but realistically there is a refresh rate problem. |
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