Hi all, this is my first post!

It is my understanding that Nvidia's new 3dtv play software, will send frame packed 1080p24 or 720p60 to a capable display. In this case, the display's proprietary glasses will work, even for those displays that don't have a vesa sync out, such as the 2010 samsung pnXXc8000.
It seems to me that the Nvidia shutter glasses and IR transmitter are not needed, and therefore are NOT connected to the computer. Basically, all you need is a capable Nvidia card, the 3dtv play software, a display that accepts a framepacked signal over HDMI (1.4), and shudder glasses that work with THAT display.

If you look in the DIY forum, there is some C code which enables the 3D Vision dongle without using Nvidia's software. Maybe you read the code and turn it on it's head to make a fake dongle out of a USB microcontroller?

a dongle or a fake software usb device if it's possible

you can clone the pyramid's hardware, the chinese have done it, the driver uploads firmware to it, so your "cloned" pyramid will always work the same as the real one if you connect it the same way
the chinese have also made clone glasses that support the nvidia IR protocol (which is quite simple), and thus, are fully compatible
don't know about the quality of the clone glasses though, probably using cheap lcds like the elsa revelators that turn off more slowly

They should make mechanical shutters. Any way to contact these guys?

Are you sure you really want to have one or two relatively high speed wheels spinning that close to your eyes? You must of course have some kind of protective glass in between but then there are also gyroeffects (could actually be used for headtracking... lol) and most probably disturbing noise. Syncing with the displayrefresh is no issue though (once made a pll device that locked an dc-engines rpm to a crystal oscillator, replace the crystal oscillator with the vsync and it syncs automatically).
I think the main fault of shuttersolutions as is today depends mostly on the monitor used. Some devices seems to work with no ghosting while others gives plenty. Of course there are bad shutters but i think that overall you can good result with them. Personally i'm all in for passive solutions though. Hope the industry find a way to minimize ghosting on such devices.

Do you mean to say that you can connect the 3pin minidin from the ED dongle ( which was used for the IR out wire ) to the '3d sync in' mini jack on the Nvidia pyramid - and then connect wired glasses to the 3.5 jack on the ED dongle and that works???
Sounds crazy. I wouldve thought it make more sense to plug the ED in like normal (to the vga out of the pc) and activate it manually.

Are you sure of this?

http://web.uni-weimar.de/cms/fileadmin/medien/vr/documents/publications/impl-multiviewer-2004ipt.pdf

o well. Looks like you can't drive DLP shuttered. Also multiplexing the dlp chip wont let enough time for the micromirrors accumulate contrast. Ahh.... : (((

Hi fellas I just bought 2 sets of wired E-dims from ultimate3dheaven on ebay. I tested them out on my projector using the latest 3d vision drivers and they work real good. Its only 85hz but does its magic. I connected them the exact same as your supposed to. E-dim Vga dongle to dvi-vga adapter to my vga kvm switch to my projector. Then I have the splitter cable that was included connected to the 3.5mm jack on the dongle connected to wired glasses. I also have wireless e-dims too but the only way to use them is to hide the 3d vision ir box because both ir signals floating around the room don't let the e-dims sync.

By the way the edim glasses you don't need to swap eyes or have them upside down cause all you have to do is use convergence to alter to the other side and I think they are right side up anyways. Worked for me.

I thought 3d-vision only worked for their usb-dongle and glasses? Have they recently opened up other 3d-modes? So far i've only heard about people who got p****d of e-d that their glasses didn't work with 3d-vision.

Nope, you still have to buy the 3d vision kit. But once you have nvidia's glasses connected to your computer then you can hook up I think pretty much any dongle that you can activate manually. I use the e-dim dongle that has the ed.exe activator, so enable that then the e-dim glasses turn on and you have access to all of nvidia stereo3d features. On my setup I use crt monitor for my projector, but then I have a 3d ready 22 inch monitor too. The e-dims actually don't ghost/crosstalk compared to the nvidia set viewing on my projector. Its not even a hack to get it to work.

Well, that's kinda cool.

That's awesome. Thanks man, Im getting the same thing right now

I always suspected its timing related. How the ED dongle derives the sync signal?



where? I suppose you only want the emitter?

Hi its actually not a timing issue but the nvidia glasses themselves, they don't shut black enough and bleed to much light through. I tested this by pushing the buttom on the glasses and I can see through them more and less at different sections of them. Syncing them better with the nvidia dongle or monitor will not fix the glasses. I think the only way to fix them is to update the firmware with the usb cable they come with that charges them, but even that don't sound to good cause windows does not recongnize the glasses when you plug them into the cable and maybe they don't even have a memory chip in them. I really don't know at all and could be a manufacturing defect.

On the other hand the e-dims go dark black all the time and you cannot see through them, its just nvidia's glassea are way bigger lcd's than the e-dims.

To get the signal from the e-dim dongle its with the vga blue-line code ONLY! There is no hdmi/dvi-D blue line code so if you don't have a new hdmi 1.4 tv or projector or 3d ready monitor then you always have to hook your display to VGA and use blue line code for full screen page flipping.

Interesting Petrus didnt mention this tho.
well I hope they use that 5000 contrast polarizer foil with the bit cauldron shutter...

Good news about ghosting. Interesting. I guess The ED transmittance is low as well.

I don't think the e-d-glasses are bad compared to others (probably not able to keep up with the x-tal eyes though). But their lack of decent softwaresupport and the outright lies about compability on their site makes them a bad choice today.

ED not bad? You mean nV ?

BTW someone was selling x102 a while ago , he said:

XpanD's are a lot better than Nvidias. They have less ghosting (none, as opposed to minimal in Nvidia).


humm. Not sure that none counts none in games like metro or alien breed, where nV glasses ghost a lot.

I mean e-dimensional. The hardwarepart is more than decent compared to other glasses. I think they're actually better than nvidias 3d-vision standard glasses.

Okay, so is this ED dongle the same as that x3d / xtreme 3d , you can buy for cheap? HW looks to be the same.

Also these square ED glasses look frickin easy to mod. How about if I peel off those polarizer foils there and apply some expensive thing?

(those x3d -s are SOOOOOO cheap)

here is what i have

Vista x64
2 (8800gts 512mb (G92 chip))
19" crt monitor
1 pair else revelator s3d glasses (wired)
1 pair e-dimensional glasses (wired)


is there someway to make this work?
what do i need to do to make this work?

Hi,all
Actually the ghosting is also relate with you displays, the response time matching between the displays and the shutter is most important. So the glasses manufacturers made great effort to take less influence by circuit adjust.

Does NVIDIA Emitter work with other shutter glasses like Samsung SSG-2100A
for 3d monitor on PC to use as addtional pair for second user? as its good cheap addon
when compared to Nvidia's own additional glasses

Do SSG-2100A as additional glasses will have same quality or sync will be missed??

nVidia emitter will work only with nVidia glasses (and vice versa.) Only possible exception is the xPand 103 universal glasses.

and my glasses made by myselft also can work with it

... I'm using a DLP projector with Optoma ZD101 DLPlink glasses at the same time as the Nvidia glasses, they give a much clearer picture than the Nvidia glasses, and they were half the price!

So you are saying I need the 2 Way splitter and buy the nVidia 3D vision kit for this to work with the EDimensional glasses??

Kind of I will explain. I have bought my wireless glasses from 3dUltimate heaven and they came with a stereo cord splitter so that you can connect two pairs of wired glasses to the e-dim dongle. When you take out a pin from your vga cord to your projector it does not recognize the edid and shows up as a CRT display. So you get access to the 3d effect on your projector. Then just enable the projector at least on 85hz and then enable the e-dim activator ed.exe then it works just the same. Ctrl-t to enable 3d. But yes you will need the 3dvision kit and instead of buying glasses for 150 dollars you can get those e-dim wired ones for 30 dollars in 2 pairs. My older projector runs at 85hz and I don't want to get a newer 3d ready one untill my bulb is finished shining.

1. ok what pin do I remove in the VGA Plug??

2. Do I need the 2 way stereo splitter?? it is just a splitter to connect 2 pairs of wired glasses too?? like this:


http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/noname3.html

3. What do I need the nVidia vision kit for if I am using the ED Glasses??

You need to bend this pin.



Yes thats exactly the same cable except mine is longer, and you do not need it. Only use it for more than one pair of glasses.

And you need the nvidia 3d vision kit to enable the stereo3d panel for your monitor or projector. Nvidia 3d vision will only activate red/blue "discovery mode" if you do not connect their 3d vision kit. It needs to detect at least a crt monitor to use their glasses that do work and also e-dims work along with them. So if you hook a crt monitor or projector without the 3d vision emitter you will only get discovery mode and will not enable shutter glasses without it. BTW I just tested this by unplugging my nvidia emitter and it indeed only shows 3d discovery.

oh i see thnx for the help gonna give this a go!!

also I installed the S3D Driver s and I do NOT get any Stereo in the panel should I be getting ast least anaglyph mode without the emitter??

also is there any other nVidia 3D version to buy that ARE cheaper.. i remember hearing about that chinese version of 3D vsion but not remebering the name of it??

Do you have a newer video card from Nvidia? I think they only support 3d on the newer types from 2008 and up.

I did see that chineese version but I think its a wired solution and it could work. I don't think anyone here bought it yet so I don't know what happens when its used yet. I actually checked and seems they don't sell them on ebay I think. Look here viewtopic.php?t=9990

hehe stupid me I didnt get the 470 yet!! I still have my old 7950 GT in the PC DUH!!

I believe the 7000 cards will work with the old stereoscopic drivers in XP. Those will work with the Edimentional stuff and no 3dvision kit required.

Yes I know this, I am moving away from the old school solution and going new school. but I was trying to get a mix of old/new school equipment..

If I can get the nVidia working with the Projectors I have now I will save a bunch of money and can get some other things I been wanting..

OK with the new year here it is time for me to get busy with my NEW 3D Setup.. I last year bought Win 7 64Bit, I just bought a 470 GTX and the nVidia 3d Vision kit..

I will try getting this to work with my NON "3D" DLP Projectors..From what I have read here I should be able to get this to work??

I also read on another thread about a EDID Blocking cable, is this a special cable with the pin already removed or just a end users cable with the pin removed ie , one I would remove myself??

Well I have a Unique Problem. I use the Matrox TH2Go Setup and I need the Pin there to see the 3 screens. I did get to be able to select CRT Monitor I just fail after I enable the Glasses and perform the Left eye, Right eye Trick and then I get cancled??

Is there a reason I am failing the Left right eye test.. The 3D is enabled but yet I fail the test?? I select what I see and apparently is NOT what I am supposed to see hence the fail??

Does anybody that has this working on a Certified system tell me which boxes I am to select during the Left Eye Right Eye test??
Do I have to run at 85hz or will 75 Work?? I am confused to why this will not work??

I had the nVidia 3D test running in 3D mode with the glasses on and everything I just can not pass this damn test!!

OK I am an idiot Please see Previous post??

OK I just fumbled about in the Left Eye , Right Eye test till I passed I think I got it..

I will need to do some testing and setting up of the convergance and such But it looks like I have succesfully done it..


I still could use someone to tell me the correct sequence in the Right , Left Eye test to right down for further Reference..

But it looks like I got it working !! I also did NOT have to remove the EDID PIN!!

I think with some "un-certified" projectors the sync is wrong, so you have to wear the glasses upside-down.